[chirp_users] New chirp-next build

[Chuck Hast]

Matt,
I fully agree with you. Although I am not sure about the linux install
thing. I use Ubuntu
Mate, takes about 10 minutes to install and be ready. That is it. last
windows install I did
took hours, it was a nightmare to me. Kept on having to be rebooted to load
this or that,
by the time it was done I had wasted a good part of a day.

I run VM's for things that absolutely need Windows as I do not trust it on
bare metal.
At least the host OS gives me tight control over the Microsoft Trojan.


On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 9:19 PM Matt Novak-Zarate <matt at novakzarate.com>
wrote:

> Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have
> thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that
> pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free
> to skip if you don't care!
>
> If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this
> point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual
> machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu?
> Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their
> hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is
> Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and
> spinning-platter HDDs.
>
> Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a
> VM, why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the
> latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
>
> Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old
> hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading
> either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install
> Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on
> older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into
> HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality
> to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
>
> This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making
> installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS.
> Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot
> more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of
> VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be
> connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a
> massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount
> of work.
>
> Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol.
>
> Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
>
> Matt
>
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> -------- Original Message --------
> On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn < glenn at ervin.email> wrote:
>
>
> 
> Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or
> because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it.
> I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive
> with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it.
> Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on
> it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu
> 18 and Chirp.
>
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Scott Lopez <scottjl at gmail.com>
> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
>
> I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up,
> distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no
> longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason
> the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn at ervin.email> wrote:
>
>> What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already
>> installed, so that can be implemented.
>> I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it,
>> but I don't know if that can be made into a VM.
>> Glenn
>>
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