[chirp_users] New chirp-next build

[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

Glenn,

I use MATE and ORCA.

Do you know if the new CHIRP will be accessible in any other operating
system?

Thanks,

David N1EA

On Mon, Jan 2, 2023  23:52 K0LNY_Glenn <glenn at ervin.email> wrote:

> Hi David,
> There is only one screenreader for the GUI in Linux, that is orca.
> So you can try running just orca
> and if it isn't there, you can do the equivalent of:
> sudo apt install orca
> for your flavor of Linux.
> Make sure you don't use the mouse, otherwise it won't be a test of
> accessibility.
>
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David Boucha <boucha at gmail.com>
> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 9:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> Have you tried running chirp-next on Ubuntu? Or tried running it straight
> from the git repo? I don't use a screen reader, but I was able to run chirp
> directly from the latest branch in the git repo just fine, and without
> flatpack .
>
> Which screen reader do you use on TV Ubuntu? I could try testing it
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 8:50 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn at ervin.email> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Excuse me, but I prefer windows 7, although I got a new computer, and
>> bought a key for 7, installed 10, and then put 7 in a VM, because I like it
>> better, and if it gets infected, I have backups of the VM.
>> Now, on Chirp, since it went to having to use flatpak, Blind folks
>> haven't been able to use it.
>> So if I want  to use Chirp in Ubuntu, it's got to be Ubuntu using an old
>> Python, and Chirp already installed.
>> And Chirp is so difficult in windows for people using a screenreader, I
>> would guess that less than 5% of screenreader users have the screenreader
>> skills to get around the lack of access to Chirp in windows.
>> Glenn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Matt Novak-Zarate <matt at novakzarate.com>
>> *To:* chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 9:01 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
>>
>> Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have
>> thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that
>> pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free
>> to skip if you don't care!
>>
>> If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this
>> point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual
>> machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu?
>> Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their
>> hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is
>> Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and
>> spinning-platter HDDs.
>>
>> Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a
>> VM, why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the
>> latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
>>
>> Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old
>> hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading
>> either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install
>> Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on
>> older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into
>> HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality
>> to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
>>
>> This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making
>> installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS.
>> Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot
>> more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of
>> VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be
>> connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a
>> massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount
>> of work.
>>
>> Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two
>> lol.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> Sent from Proton Mail mobile
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn < glenn at ervin.email> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility,
>> or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it.
>> I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a
>> drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it.
>> Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on
>> it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu
>> 18 and Chirp.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Scott Lopez <scottjl at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
>>
>> I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up,
>> distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no
>> longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason
>> the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn at ervin.email> wrote:
>>
>>> What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already
>>> installed, so that can be implemented.
>>> I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it,
>>> but I don't know if that can be made into a VM.
>>> Glenn
>>>
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