<div dir="auto"><div>Glenn,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I use MATE and ORCA.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Do you know if the new CHIRP will be accessible in any other operating system?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">David N1EA <br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 23:52 K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Hi David,</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">There is only one screenreader for the GUI in
Linux, that is orca.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">So you can try running just orca</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">and if it isn't there, you can do the equivalent
of:</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">sudo apt install orca</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">for your flavor of Linux.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Make sure you don't use the mouse, otherwise it
won't be a test of accessibility.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Glenn</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="boucha@gmail.com" href="mailto:boucha@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">David Boucha</a> </div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 02, 2023 9:58 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build</div></div>
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<div>Hi Glenn,
<div><br></div>
<div>Have you tried running chirp-next on Ubuntu? Or tried running it straight
from the git repo? I don't use a screen reader, but I was able to run chirp
directly from the latest branch in the git repo just fine, and without flatpack
.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Which screen reader do you use on TV Ubuntu? I could try testing
it</div></div><br>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 8:50 PM K0LNY_Glenn
<glenn@ervin.email> wrote:<br></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Hi,</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Excuse me, but I prefer windows 7, although I got
a new computer, and bought a key for 7, installed 10, and then put 7 in a VM,
because I like it better, and if it gets infected, I have backups of the
VM.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Now, on Chirp, since it went to having to use
flatpak, Blind folks haven't been able to use it.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">So if I want to use Chirp in Ubuntu, it's
got to be Ubuntu using an old Python, and Chirp already
installed.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">And Chirp is so difficult in windows for people
using a screenreader, I would guess that less than 5% of screenreader users
have the screenreader skills to get around the lack of access to Chirp in
windows.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Glenn</font></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="matt@novakzarate.com" href="mailto:matt@novakzarate.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Matt
Novak-Zarate</a> </div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 02, 2023 9:01 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build</div></div>
<div><br></div>Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I
have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that
pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to
skip if you don't care! <br><br>If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck
with Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going to be
able to run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even
if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us
think their hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of
them is Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and
spinning-platter HDDs. <br><br>Also, if they're going to go through all the
rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the old version of
Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
<br><br>Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old
hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading
either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install
Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on
older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM,
they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have
going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu. <br><br>This is, of course, a
good amount of work. Downloading and making installer media may be a
challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing Linux, even Mint,
poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable, and long-lasting,
a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated OSes. And
secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything that can
reach the public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk. This would
resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount of work. <br><br>Just my... three
cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol. <br><br>Anyway,
thanks for coming to my TED Talk. <br><br>Matt<br><br>Sent from Proton Mail
mobile<br>-------- Original Message --------<br>On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08,
K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp,
either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing
wrong with it.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp
on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone
who wants it.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with
several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them
to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Glenn</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="scottjl@gmail.com" href="mailto:scottjl@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Scott Lopez</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build</div></div>
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<div>I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up,
distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no
longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason
the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.<br></div><br>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn
<<a href="mailto:glenn@ervin.email" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">glenn@ervin.email</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu
with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be
implemented.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a
thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a
VM.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Glenn</font></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div>
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