[chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 126, Issue 19
Eric Reed
Tue Jun 25 10:29:10 PDT 2019
* Please add device.*
AnyTone AT-778UV and/or the Retevis RT95 to the supported device list.
These two are the same radio. Thank you.
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> 1. Re: Transmit UV5r to FRS (Chef Todd)
> 2. Re: Transmit UV5r to FRS (Paul Duer)
> 3. Re: Transmit UV5r to FRS (Ed Sherlock)
> 4. Re: How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master File for
> multiple Radio Brands & Models? (Fred Erickson)
> 5. Re: Transmit UV5r to FRS (Anthony Crespo)
> 6. Rules, Radio capabilities, and CHIRP capabilities (Dan Clemmensen)
> 7. Re: How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master File for
> multiple Radio Brands & Models? (Dan Clemmensen)
> 8. Re: Rules, Radio capabilities, and CHIRP capabilities
> (Christopher Knowles)
> 9. Re: How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master File for
> multiple Radio Brands & Models? (D.J.J. Ring, Jr.)
> 10. Re: How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master File for
> multiple Radio Brands & Models? (Christopher Knowles)
> 11. Re: How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master File for
> multiple Radio Brands & Models? (David Evans)
> 12. Re: Rules, Radio capabilities, and CHIRP capabilities
> (Todd J. Unkefer)
> 13. Re: How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master File for
> multiple Radio Brands & Models? (Dave Gomberg)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 22:20:26 -0400
> From: Chef Todd <tunkefer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
> To: JOCK SOUTAR <kc6iih at aol.com>, Discussion of CHIRP
> <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
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> A ha! Thank you.
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 1:58 AM JOCK SOUTAR via chirp_users <
> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com> wrote:
>
> > The UV5R is illegal on FRS.
> > The reason is because they are not type accepted.
> > Main reason is because the antenna can be removed and replaced with other
> > antennas.
> > FRS radios have fixed antennas.
> >
> > Jock
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 Glenn At Home <
> > chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com> wrote:
> > Let's not play police here.
> > I do believe that the FCC has allowed some of the FRS frequencies, now up
> > to 2 watts.
> > To answer the question, make sure the same frequencies are in the column
> > next to the receive column.
> > I don't recall if they are labeled RX and TX or what.
> > Glenn
> >
> > *From:* John Wuest <jhwuest at gmail.com>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:42 PM
> > *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
> >
> > Using your UV-5R on FRS frequencies will be a violation of Federal Law.
> > That radio is not, nor can not be, type accepted for that service.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:25 PM Todd J. Unkefer <tunkefer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I can hear the FRS radios on their respective channels, I cannot transmit
> > on those respective channels. How can I enable the transmit on chirp?
> >
> > Thanks, in advance.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > ------------------------------
> >
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> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 07:13:07 +0200
> From: "Paul Duer" <duerhome at mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
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> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 22:55:16 -0700
> From: Ed Sherlock <k6ess.ed at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
> To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
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> C'mon, folks. Lets get real.
>
> In a life or death scenario, I'll use any radio, on any frequency, to
> summon aid. Afterward we can deal with legal.
>
> The medical certifications I held as a field qualified member of the
> Southern Arizona Rescue Association are not current, but in a life or death
> situation, I'll still render first aid, CPR, rescue breathing, or anything
> else I was recently certified to perform, regardless of my legal
> liability. I would not act recklessly, and would act within my training.
>
> Yes, I could be sued; no, I wouldn't be covered by the Good Samaritan law.
> But if I could save a limb or a life, I would provide aid. Saving a life is
> more important than laws.
>
> Just my personal belief. Not a reflection on SARA training or philosophy,
> nor on FCC regulations.
>
> <end rant>
>
> Ed K6ESS
> Sacramento CA
>
> Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler. Albert Einstein
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 22:14 Paul Duer <duerhome at mail.com> wrote:
>
> > The law is humanity's best attempt at justice, but it is fallible. It
> > often makes criminals of decent people. I cannot imagine any jury
> > convicting someone, licensed or not, of using a non-type accepted radio
> on
> > an FRS channel in the course of saving life, limb or property.
> >
> > Paul Duer
> >
> > *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 3:11 PM
> > *From:* "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea at arrl.net>
> > *To:* "Discussion of CHIRP" <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
> > We also do not want to be accomplices in the commission of a crime.
> > ?95.335 Operation of non-certified transmitters prohibited.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=513d144496fe583b1100416953ca419f&mc=true&node=se47.5.95_1335&rgn=div8
> >
> >
> > GMRS and FRS regulations have changed, but unlicensed FRS does not permit
> > any radio that has a removable antenna. Also radios have to be certified
> > under FCC Part 95. UV-5R isn't on the list, and FCC is planning on
> banning
> > the import of any radio capable of being used on a frequency that the
> unit
> > is not licensed for. That is if it isn't an amateur radio, in the future
> > any radio imported will only be able to be used on amateur radio
> > frequencies.
> >
> > Also in the near future, radios will not be legally allowed to be
> > manufactured, imported , or sold that can be used on BOTH GMRS and FRS.
> > This is going to cause a problem for licensed amateur radio operators
> who
> > own such radios, like I do:
> > ?95.1791 Sales of GMRS/FRS combination radios prohibited.
> >
> > (a) Effective September 30, 2019, no person shall be permitted to
> > manufacture or import, sell or offer for sale any radio equipment capable
> > of operating under both this subpart (GMRS) and subpart B (FRS) of this
> > chapter.
> >
> > FRS allows 2 watts or less on channels 1 ? 7 and the previously GMRS only
> > channels of 15 ? 22, but only 0.5 watts on channels 8 ? 14.
> > GMRS licensees can use up to 50 watts, but there are somewhat complicated
> > restrictions and an FCC 10 year renewable license (good for entire
> family)
> > is needed. GMRS licensees can also operate on 8 additional repeater
> > frequencies.
> >
> > The regulations for GMRS are quite complicated.
> > https://ecfr.io/Title-47/se47.5.95_11767
> >
> > I think the past practice of this group not to provide such information
> to
> > unlicensed persons is a wise one.
> >
> > 73
> > David N1EA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:48 PM Glenn At Home <glennervin at cableone.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Let's not play police here.
> >> I do believe that the FCC has allowed some of the FRS frequencies, now
> up
> >> to 2 watts.
> >> To answer the question, make sure the same frequencies are in the column
> >> next to the receive column.
> >> I don't recall if they are labeled RX and TX or what.
> >> Glenn
> >>
> >> *From:* John Wuest <jhwuest at gmail.com>
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:42 PM
> >> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
> >>
> >> Using your UV-5R on FRS frequencies will be a violation of Federal Law.
> >> That radio is not, nor can not be, type accepted for that service.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:25 PM Todd J. Unkefer <tunkefer at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I can hear the FRS radios on their respective channels, I cannot
> >>> transmit on those respective channels. How can I enable the transmit on
> >>> chirp?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, in advance.
> >>>
> >>> Todd
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> chirp_users mailing list
> >>> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> >>> http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
> >>> This message was sent to John Wuest at jhwuest at gmail.com
> >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to
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> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> chirp_users mailing list
> >> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> >> http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
> >> This message was sent to Glenn at glennervin at cableone.net
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> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> chirp_users mailing list
> >> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> >> http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
> >> This message was sent to D.J.J. Ring, Jr. at n1ea at arrl.net
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> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 22:28:22 -0800
> From: Fred Erickson <fredferickson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master
> File for multiple Radio Brands & Models?
> To: chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> Message-ID: <20190623222822.7d71b81d at acer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:15:05 -0400 (EDT)
> ka8vit at ka8vit.com wrote:
>
> > Lotus 1-2-3 ???
> >
> > Whom among you remember VisiCalc ?
> >
> > 73 - Bill KA8VIT
>
> I used it every day on a Radio Shack/Tandy Model III running TRS-Dos.
> It worked very well.
> If I remember right, Lotus bought VisiCalc, then tried to sue everyone
> with a spreadsheet with a "look and feel" like it.
>
> > > On June 20, 2019 at 1:08 PM Amnon Zohar <amnon.zohar at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > lotus 1-2-3 haha it has been ages since i have heard about it since
> > > exel killed everybody else
>
> I don't think Excel was better than other spreadsheets - Borland
> Quattro was nicer and available in text mode as well as Windows.
> Microsoft just bought out (or out advertised) all the
> competition...seemed to me.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 07:37:54 -0400
> From: Anthony Crespo <ajcscan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
> To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> Message-ID:
> <
> CAFZeJFSZ8ubq7cT-LwgTfhonfdbz9NVtUqpEtzyEnxpcCJQVQA at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Agreed and well stated!
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 1:56 AM Ed Sherlock <k6ess.ed at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > C'mon, folks. Lets get real.
> >
> > In a life or death scenario, I'll use any radio, on any frequency, to
> > summon aid. Afterward we can deal with legal.
> >
> > The medical certifications I held as a field qualified member of the
> > Southern Arizona Rescue Association are not current, but in a life or
> death
> > situation, I'll still render first aid, CPR, rescue breathing, or
> anything
> > else I was recently certified to perform, regardless of my legal
> > liability. I would not act recklessly, and would act within my training.
> >
> > Yes, I could be sued; no, I wouldn't be covered by the Good Samaritan
> > law. But if I could save a limb or a life, I would provide aid. Saving a
> > life is more important than laws.
> >
> > Just my personal belief. Not a reflection on SARA training or
> philosophy,
> > nor on FCC regulations.
> >
> > <end rant>
> >
> > Ed K6ESS
> > Sacramento CA
> >
> > Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler. Albert Einstein
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 22:14 Paul Duer <duerhome at mail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The law is humanity's best attempt at justice, but it is fallible. It
> >> often makes criminals of decent people. I cannot imagine any jury
> >> convicting someone, licensed or not, of using a non-type accepted radio
> on
> >> an FRS channel in the course of saving life, limb or property.
> >>
> >> Paul Duer
> >>
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 3:11 PM
> >> *From:* "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea at arrl.net>
> >> *To:* "Discussion of CHIRP" <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
> >> We also do not want to be accomplices in the commission of a crime.
> >> ?95.335 Operation of non-certified transmitters prohibited.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=513d144496fe583b1100416953ca419f&mc=true&node=se47.5.95_1335&rgn=div8
> >>
> >>
> >> GMRS and FRS regulations have changed, but unlicensed FRS does not
> permit
> >> any radio that has a removable antenna. Also radios have to be
> certified
> >> under FCC Part 95. UV-5R isn't on the list, and FCC is planning on
> banning
> >> the import of any radio capable of being used on a frequency that the
> unit
> >> is not licensed for. That is if it isn't an amateur radio, in the
> future
> >> any radio imported will only be able to be used on amateur radio
> >> frequencies.
> >>
> >> Also in the near future, radios will not be legally allowed to be
> >> manufactured, imported , or sold that can be used on BOTH GMRS and FRS.
> >> This is going to cause a problem for licensed amateur radio operators
> who
> >> own such radios, like I do:
> >> ?95.1791 Sales of GMRS/FRS combination radios prohibited.
> >>
> >> (a) Effective September 30, 2019, no person shall be permitted to
> >> manufacture or import, sell or offer for sale any radio equipment
> capable
> >> of operating under both this subpart (GMRS) and subpart B (FRS) of this
> >> chapter.
> >>
> >> FRS allows 2 watts or less on channels 1 ? 7 and the previously GMRS
> only
> >> channels of 15 ? 22, but only 0.5 watts on channels 8 ? 14.
> >> GMRS licensees can use up to 50 watts, but there are somewhat
> complicated
> >> restrictions and an FCC 10 year renewable license (good for entire
> family)
> >> is needed. GMRS licensees can also operate on 8 additional repeater
> >> frequencies.
> >>
> >> The regulations for GMRS are quite complicated.
> >> https://ecfr.io/Title-47/se47.5.95_11767
> >>
> >> I think the past practice of this group not to provide such information
> >> to unlicensed persons is a wise one.
> >>
> >> 73
> >> David N1EA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:48 PM Glenn At Home <glennervin at cableone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Let's not play police here.
> >>> I do believe that the FCC has allowed some of the FRS frequencies, now
> >>> up to 2 watts.
> >>> To answer the question, make sure the same frequencies are in the
> column
> >>> next to the receive column.
> >>> I don't recall if they are labeled RX and TX or what.
> >>> Glenn
> >>>
> >>> *From:* John Wuest <jhwuest at gmail.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:42 PM
> >>> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
> >>>
> >>> Using your UV-5R on FRS frequencies will be a violation of Federal Law.
> >>> That radio is not, nor can not be, type accepted for that service.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:25 PM Todd J. Unkefer <tunkefer at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I can hear the FRS radios on their respective channels, I cannot
> >>>> transmit on those respective channels. How can I enable the transmit
> on
> >>>> chirp?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, in advance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Todd
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> chirp_users mailing list
> >>>> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> >>>> http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
> >>>> This message was sent to John Wuest at jhwuest at gmail.com
> >>>> To unsubscribe, send an email to
> >>>> chirp_users-unsubscribe at intrepid.danplanet.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> chirp_users mailing list
> >>> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
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> >>> This message was sent to Glenn at glennervin at cableone.net
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> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> >> http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
> >> This message was sent to Ed Sherlock at k6ess.ed at gmail.com
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> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 07:19:25 -0700
> From: Dan Clemmensen <danclemmensen at gmail.com>
> Subject: [chirp_users] Rules, Radio capabilities, and CHIRP
> capabilities
> To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
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>
> Colleagues: Our community is interested in three different things, and I
> feel we need to do a better job of separating them, because different folks
> have different situations.
>
> Rules: we are not all US Hams. Some are not US and some are not Hams. the
> rules and regulations differ by jurisdiction and depend on both the
> hardware you are using and the licences you hold. It may (or may not) be
> useful to comment on the rules, but when you do, please make sure you
> mention which jurisdiction, licence, and hardware.
>
> Radio capabilities: Each radio has its own hardware capabilities. Some of
> these capabilities interact with the rules in some jurisdictions, and
> sometimes rules change. There is no reason we cannot discuss hardware
> capabilities independently of the rules, since those capabilities are still
> usable in some jurisdictions and/or to some users under some circumstances.
>
> CHIRP capabilities: Hey, this is the CHIRP user group! We can and should
> discuss any CHIRP capabilities that may be usable by some CHIRP users in
> some situations. It is the responsibility of each user to understand the
> governing rules. It is not the responsibility of the CHIRP software or the
> CHIRP user community to attempt to enforce these rules, especially since
> the rules you are trying to enforce may not be applicable to the users you
> are addressing. A brief sentence to note that a particular capability may
> violate a rule in a particular situation may be acceptable if it becomes
> obvious that the user might need the reminder.
>
> (Thanks for your attention. I will get down off of my soapbox now.)
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 07:31:07 -0700
> From: Dan Clemmensen <danclemmensen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master
> File for multiple Radio Brands & Models?
> To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> Message-ID:
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> Visicalc was first. It was the killer app for use of the PC in the office.
>
> There is no need to pay for a fancy spreadheet to use CHIRP. They are
> bloated and complicated. I am a free software fanatic, so I use Gnumeric.
> It has all the capabilities you need for use with CHIRP (and pretty much
> anything else). I'm a Linux user. Unfortunately for Windows user, new
> versions do not run on Windows.
>
> If I were forced to use Windows or some other strange platform, I would use
> Google Sheets.
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:28 PM Fred Erickson <fredferickson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:15:05 -0400 (EDT)
> > ka8vit at ka8vit.com wrote:
> >
> > > Lotus 1-2-3 ???
> > >
> > > Whom among you remember VisiCalc ?
> > >
> > > 73 - Bill KA8VIT
> >
> > I used it every day on a Radio Shack/Tandy Model III running TRS-Dos.
> > It worked very well.
> > If I remember right, Lotus bought VisiCalc, then tried to sue everyone
> > with a spreadsheet with a "look and feel" like it.
> >
> > > > On June 20, 2019 at 1:08 PM Amnon Zohar <amnon.zohar at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > lotus 1-2-3 haha it has been ages since i have heard about it since
> > > > exel killed everybody else
> >
> > I don't think Excel was better than other spreadsheets - Borland
> > Quattro was nicer and available in text mode as well as Windows.
> > Microsoft just bought out (or out advertised) all the
> > competition...seemed to me.
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:36:07 -0400
> From: Christopher Knowles <cknowles at tiac.net>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Rules, Radio capabilities, and CHIRP
> capabilities
> To: chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> Message-ID: <4d81581c-bdfb-5005-56e4-b94d3991a7ad at tiac.net>
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> Point well taken.? We are not a group of enforcers; but we are a group
> of educators.? We should neither encourage nor discourage behavior.? But
> we should take the opportunity to educate.? Every radio operator,
> regardless of jurisdiction, should know the rules and make a conscious
> choice as to whether or not to obey them, understanding that actions
> have consequences.? Chris, N1CAK
>
> On 6/24/2019 10:19 AM, Dan Clemmensen wrote:
> > Colleagues: Our community is interested in three different things, and
> > I feel we need to do a better job of separating them, because
> > different folks have different situations.
> >
> > Rules: we are not all US Hams. Some are not US and some are not Hams.
> > the rules and regulations differ by jurisdiction and depend on both
> > the hardware you are using and the licences you hold. It may (or may
> > not) be useful to comment on the rules, but when you do, please make
> > sure you mention which jurisdiction, licence, and hardware.
> >
> > Radio capabilities: Each radio has its own hardware capabilities. Some
> > of these capabilities interact with the rules in some jurisdictions,
> > and sometimes rules change. There is no reason we cannot discuss
> > hardware capabilities independently of the rules, since those
> > capabilities are still usable in some jurisdictions and/or to some
> > users under some circumstances.
> >
> > CHIRP capabilities: Hey, this is the CHIRP user group! We can and
> > should discuss any CHIRP capabilities that may be usable by some CHIRP
> > users in some situations. It is the responsibility of each user to
> > understand the governing rules. It is not the responsibility of the
> > CHIRP software or the CHIRP user community to attempt to enforce these
> > rules, especially since the rules you are trying to enforce may not be
> > applicable to the users you are addressing. A brief sentence to note
> > that a particular capability may violate a rule in a particular
> > situation may be acceptable if it becomes obvious that the user might
> > need the reminder.
> >
> > (Thanks for your attention. I will get down off of my soapbox now.)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > chirp_users mailing list
> > chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
> > This message was sent to Christopher Knowles at cknowles at tiac.net
> > To unsubscribe, send an email to
> chirp_users-unsubscribe at intrepid.danplanet.com
>
> --
> Christopher Allan Knowles, MPA
> P.O. Box 4632
> Vineyard Haven, MA 02568
>
> Please find my LinkedIn profile at:
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-knowles-99aba51a/
>
> Staff Sergeant, United States Air Force, 1970 - 1974
>
> Call Sign: N1CAK - Amateur Extra Class
> Accredited Volunteer Examiner (VE)
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:37:48 -0400
> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea at arrl.net>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master
> File for multiple Radio Brands & Models?
> To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
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> Good news, Dan - for Windows users that is.
>
> Gnumeric is now available for Windows 10.
> https://yepdownload.com/gnumeric
>
> If you want some software that's fast, I recommend Gnumeric and Abiword.
> Very small size programs but do what most people need to do, and they work
> very fast.
>
> Hmmm, just like CHIRP. Fast and useful.
>
> 73
> David
> N1EA
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:31 AM Dan Clemmensen <danclemmensen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Visicalc was first. It was the killer app for use of the PC in the
> office.
> >
> > There is no need to pay for a fancy spreadheet to use CHIRP. They are
> > bloated and complicated. I am a free software fanatic, so I use Gnumeric.
> > It has all the capabilities you need for use with CHIRP (and pretty much
> > anything else). I'm a Linux user. Unfortunately for Windows user, new
> > versions do not run on Windows.
> >
> > If I were forced to use Windows or some other strange platform, I would
> > use Google Sheets.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:46:27 -0400
> From: Christopher Knowles <cknowles at tiac.net>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master
> File for multiple Radio Brands & Models?
> To: chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> Message-ID: <0ac12cba-02a6-5372-c7c3-bbd02856afe0 at tiac.net>
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>
> For all Windows users I would recommend Calc from LibreOffice.? It is
> free and part of a suite of applications more versatile than Windows
> Office.? Chris, N1CAK
>
> On 6/24/2019 10:37 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > Good news, Dan - for Windows users that is.
> >
> > Gnumeric is now available for Windows 10.
> > https://yepdownload.com/gnumeric
> >
> > If you want some software that's fast, I recommend Gnumeric and
> > Abiword.? Very small size programs but do what most people need to do,
> > and they work very fast.
> >
> > Hmmm, just like CHIRP.? Fast and useful.
> >
> > 73
> > David
> > N1EA
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:31 AM Dan Clemmensen
> > <danclemmensen at gmail.com <mailto:danclemmensen at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Visicalc was first. It was the killer app for use of the PC in the
> > office.
> >
> > There is no need to pay for a fancy spreadheet to use CHIRP. They
> > are bloated and complicated. I am a free software fanatic, so I
> > use Gnumeric. It has all the capabilities you need for use with
> > CHIRP (and pretty much anything else). I'm a Linux user.
> > Unfortunately for Windows user, new versions do not run on Windows.
> >
> > If I were forced to use Windows or some other strange platform, I
> > would use Google Sheets.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > chirp_users mailing list
> > chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
> > This message was sent to Christopher Knowles at cknowles at tiac.net
> > To unsubscribe, send an email to
> chirp_users-unsubscribe at intrepid.danplanet.com
>
> --
> Christopher Allan Knowles, MPA
> P.O. Box 4632
> Vineyard Haven, MA 02568
>
> Please find my LinkedIn profile at:
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-knowles-99aba51a/
>
> Staff Sergeant, United States Air Force, 1970 - 1974
>
> Call Sign: N1CAK - Amateur Extra Class
> Accredited Volunteer Examiner (VE)
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 07:46:16 -0700
> From: David Evans <kd7uch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master
> File for multiple Radio Brands & Models?
> To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> Message-ID:
> <
> CAOFT+78uvWW6yvULt7JrQNuWA9EvuLTmU2oyTsEuT5HcwnFLkQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> Libre Office has always worked well for me. Free also.
>
> Thanks,
> David,
> KD7UCH at gmail.com
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 07:39 D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea at arrl.net> wrote:
>
> > Good news, Dan - for Windows users that is.
> >
> > Gnumeric is now available for Windows 10.
> > https://yepdownload.com/gnumeric
> >
> > If you want some software that's fast, I recommend Gnumeric and Abiword.
> > Very small size programs but do what most people need to do, and they
> work
> > very fast.
> >
> > Hmmm, just like CHIRP. Fast and useful.
> >
> > 73
> > David
> > N1EA
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:31 AM Dan Clemmensen <danclemmensen at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Visicalc was first. It was the killer app for use of the PC in the
> >> office.
> >>
> >> There is no need to pay for a fancy spreadheet to use CHIRP. They are
> >> bloated and complicated. I am a free software fanatic, so I use
> Gnumeric.
> >> It has all the capabilities you need for use with CHIRP (and pretty much
> >> anything else). I'm a Linux user. Unfortunately for Windows user, new
> >> versions do not run on Windows.
> >>
> >> If I were forced to use Windows or some other strange platform, I would
> >> use Google Sheets.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> > chirp_users mailing list
> > chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
> > This message was sent to David Evans at kd7uch at arrl.net
> > To unsubscribe, send an email to
> > chirp_users-unsubscribe at intrepid.danplanet.com
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:57:33 -0400
> From: "Todd J. Unkefer" <tunkefer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Rules, Radio capabilities, and CHIRP
> capabilities
> To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> Message-ID: <5d10e4dd.1c69fb81.c8fce.c931 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Very good point, My situation, I work on film sets, sometimes
> internationally. In my particular case, I need to monitor different bands
> while being able to transmit on others, carrying multiple radios in Belize
> in the summer is not an ideal scenario. I perceived the mail list to be a
> last resort after endless googling, I appreciate the links people sent from
> google, I had already been there. Those who responded directly, I am most
> appreciative, the baofeng can do what I need it to, unless the FCC sends
> someone down to Mayan ruins in the jungle with equipment to find me and my
> crew, it could be an interesting prosecution.
>
> Chef Todd
>
> FoodJunkie Film Catering
>
>
> From: Christopher Knowles
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:38 AM
> To: chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Rules, Radio capabilities, and CHIRP
> capabilities
>
> Point well taken.? We are not a group of enforcers; but we are a group of
> educators.? We should neither encourage nor discourage behavior.? But we
> should take the opportunity to educate.? Every radio operator, regardless
> of jurisdiction, should know the rules and make a conscious choice as to
> whether or not to obey them, understanding that actions have consequences.?
> Chris, N1CAK
> On 6/24/2019 10:19 AM, Dan Clemmensen wrote:
> Colleagues: Our community is interested in three different things, and I
> feel we need to do a better job of separating them, because different folks
> have different situations.
>
> Rules: we are not all US Hams. Some are not US and some are not Hams. the
> rules and regulations differ by jurisdiction and depend on both the
> hardware you are using and the licences you hold. It may (or may not) be
> useful to comment on the rules, but when you do, please make sure you
> mention which jurisdiction, licence, and hardware.
>
> Radio capabilities: Each radio has its own hardware capabilities. Some of
> these capabilities interact with the rules in some jurisdictions, and
> sometimes rules change. There is no reason we cannot discuss hardware
> capabilities independently of the rules, since those capabilities are still
> usable in some jurisdictions and/or to some users under some circumstances.
>
> CHIRP capabilities: Hey, this is the CHIRP user group! We can and should
> discuss any CHIRP capabilities that may be usable by some CHIRP users in
> some situations. It is the responsibility of each user to understand the
> governing rules. It is not the responsibility of the CHIRP software or the
> CHIRP user community to attempt to enforce these rules, especially since
> the rules you are trying to enforce may not be applicable to the users you
> are addressing. A brief sentence to note that a particular capability may
> violate a rule in a particular situation may be acceptable if it becomes
> obvious that the user might need the reminder.
>
> (Thanks for your attention. I will get down off of my soapbox now.)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> chirp_users mailing list
> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
> This message was sent to Christopher Knowles at cknowles at tiac.net
> To unsubscribe, send an email to
> chirp_users-unsubscribe at intrepid.danplanet.com
> --
> Christopher Allan Knowles, MPA
> P.O. Box 4632
> Vineyard Haven, MA 02568
>
> Please find my LinkedIn profile at:
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-knowles-99aba51a/
>
> Staff Sergeant, United States Air Force, 1970 - 1974
>
> Call Sign: N1CAK - Amateur Extra Class
> Accredited Volunteer Examiner (VE)
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> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 08:43:36 -0700
> From: Dave Gomberg <dave2 at sfwcf.com>
> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] How can I use Chirp to re-use One Master
> File for multiple Radio Brands & Models?
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> At 11:28 PM 6/23/2019, Fred Erickson wrote:
>
> >I don't think Excel was better than other spreadsheets - Borland
> >Quattro was nicer and available in text mode as well as Windows.
> >Microsoft just bought out (or out advertised) all the
> >competition...seemed to me.
>
> No, they did something even more anti-competitive, they gave it away
> free with Windows (for a while).
>
>
>
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