[chirp_users] Unused Fields Option and the missing NONE selections

[W Paul Mills]

Seems like you are being rather hard on a bunch of volunteers. And for a
program which you can get for nothing!

On 07/31/2014 06:13 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
> Well thanks for the tongue lashing (that's a little overboard) but it 
> was a little lecture on the "Hide Unused Fields" checkbox and how it is 
> now going to be the default and solve all my problems.

I look at ever message in this group. I did not notice any tongue lashing.

> 
> IT DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM!!!  Read on to learn why.
> 
> So I load up my data and change the option to hide unused fields. OK, 
> all those pesky 88.5s in the sheet magically disappear.  OK, great.
> 
> But then I change one of the PLs to 100.0.  Oops, since there are no 
> horizontal lines to help guide me across a sea of blankness, I got one 
> off and meant to change the next one down.  OK, just set it back off by 
> ... uhhhh...  THERE IS NO "NONE" selection.  I CANNOT SET IT BACK TO 
> OFF!!  Aww nuts, now I have to either delete this memory and enter it in 
> again or kill all my updates and reload the sheet and start again.  
> Neither is a good thing to have to do because of a missing option in a 
> box on a sheet without any guide rules (lines) to help me get it right 
> in the first place.

Looks like the lack of horizontal lines is a windows only problem. Works
fine in Linux. In windows if you click on the left side of the row, the
whole row will be highlighted.

I get the none selection here in either windows or linux.

> 
> You see, good programming practice is good programming practice. 
> Band-Aids are NOT GOOD PROGRAMMING PRACTICE.

I did not consider this a band aid, just a convenience item. Most
manufacturer software leaves these values, even when none are used as I
recall.

> 
> Not sorry about the screaming.  I worked in computers for 30+ years.  I 
> was trained and also taught myself and taught classes about good 
> programming practice.  And what CHIRP is trying to do with this Band-Aid 
> is just plain wrong.  If you can set something on, you must be able to 
> set it off, too.
> 
> As I said.  If I had produced something like this and put it out to the 
> field, I would have been fired!

So fire someone, if it makes you feel good.

> 
> Now it is time that someone, somewhere in the organization realized that 
> there HAS to be a NONE selection to turn off a PL or any other selection 
> that is no longer needed or was entered by mistake.  And as far as I can 
> tell, that is not possible since there is no NONE selection.

Why, it is there?

> 
> Am I wrong?  If so, I apologize in advance and await another tongue lashing.

No comment. I am just a user.

> 
> Thanks to all for all the hard work but someone missed a standard design 
> point on multiple of the columns.
> 
> Mike
> 
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