[chirp_users] Unused Fields Option and the missing NONE selections

[Randy Elliott]

I'll second that!

Randy Elliott
VE3JPU

> On Jul 31, 2014, at 10:01 AM, W Paul Mills <AC0HY at WPMills.com> wrote:
> 
> Seems like you are being rather hard on a bunch of volunteers. And for a
> program which you can get for nothing!
> 
>> On 07/31/2014 06:13 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
>> Well thanks for the tongue lashing (that's a little overboard) but it 
>> was a little lecture on the "Hide Unused Fields" checkbox and how it is 
>> now going to be the default and solve all my problems.
> 
> I look at ever message in this group. I did not notice any tongue lashing.
> 
>> 
>> IT DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM!!!  Read on to learn why.
>> 
>> So I load up my data and change the option to hide unused fields. OK, 
>> all those pesky 88.5s in the sheet magically disappear.  OK, great.
>> 
>> But then I change one of the PLs to 100.0.  Oops, since there are no 
>> horizontal lines to help guide me across a sea of blankness, I got one 
>> off and meant to change the next one down.  OK, just set it back off by 
>> ... uhhhh...  THERE IS NO "NONE" selection.  I CANNOT SET IT BACK TO 
>> OFF!!  Aww nuts, now I have to either delete this memory and enter it in 
>> again or kill all my updates and reload the sheet and start again.  
>> Neither is a good thing to have to do because of a missing option in a 
>> box on a sheet without any guide rules (lines) to help me get it right 
>> in the first place.
> 
> Looks like the lack of horizontal lines is a windows only problem. Works
> fine in Linux. In windows if you click on the left side of the row, the
> whole row will be highlighted.
> 
> I get the none selection here in either windows or linux.
> 
>> 
>> You see, good programming practice is good programming practice. 
>> Band-Aids are NOT GOOD PROGRAMMING PRACTICE.
> 
> I did not consider this a band aid, just a convenience item. Most
> manufacturer software leaves these values, even when none are used as I
> recall.
> 
>> 
>> Not sorry about the screaming.  I worked in computers for 30+ years.  I 
>> was trained and also taught myself and taught classes about good 
>> programming practice.  And what CHIRP is trying to do with this Band-Aid 
>> is just plain wrong.  If you can set something on, you must be able to 
>> set it off, too.
>> 
>> As I said.  If I had produced something like this and put it out to the 
>> field, I would have been fired!
> 
> So fire someone, if it makes you feel good.
> 
>> 
>> Now it is time that someone, somewhere in the organization realized that 
>> there HAS to be a NONE selection to turn off a PL or any other selection 
>> that is no longer needed or was entered by mistake.  And as far as I can 
>> tell, that is not possible since there is no NONE selection.
> 
> Why, it is there?
> 
>> 
>> Am I wrong?  If so, I apologize in advance and await another tongue lashing.
> 
> No comment. I am just a user.
> 
>> 
>> Thanks to all for all the hard work but someone missed a standard design 
>> point on multiple of the columns.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
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