[chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS

Mon Jun 24 04:37:54 PDT 2019

Agreed and well stated!

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 1:56 AM Ed Sherlock <k6ess.ed at gmail.com> wrote:

> C'mon, folks. Lets get real.
>
> In a life or death scenario, I'll use any radio, on any frequency, to
> summon aid. Afterward we can deal with legal.
>
> The medical certifications I held as a field qualified member of the
> Southern Arizona Rescue Association are not current, but in a life or death
> situation, I'll still render first aid, CPR, rescue breathing, or anything
> else I was recently certified to perform, regardless of my legal
> liability.  I would not act recklessly, and would act within my training.
>
> Yes, I could be sued; no, I wouldn't be covered by the Good Samaritan
> law.  But if I could save a limb or a life, I would provide aid. Saving a
> life is more important than laws.
>
> Just my personal belief.  Not a reflection on SARA training or philosophy,
> nor on FCC regulations.
>
> <end rant>
>
> Ed K6ESS
> Sacramento CA
>
> Make everything as simple as possible,  but not simpler.  Albert Einstein
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 22:14 Paul Duer <duerhome at mail.com> wrote:
>
>> The law is humanity's best attempt at justice, but it is fallible. It
>> often makes criminals of decent people. I cannot imagine any jury
>> convicting someone, licensed or not, of using a non-type accepted radio on
>> an FRS channel in the course of saving life, limb or property.
>>
>> Paul Duer
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 3:11 PM
>> *From:* "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea at arrl.net>
>> *To:* "Discussion of CHIRP" <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
>> We also do not want to be accomplices in the commission of a crime.
>> §95.335   Operation of non-certified transmitters prohibited.
>>
>>
>> https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=513d144496fe583b1100416953ca419f&mc=true&node=se47.5.95_1335&rgn=div8
>>
>>
>> GMRS and FRS regulations have changed, but unlicensed FRS does not permit
>> any radio that has a removable antenna.  Also radios have to be certified
>> under FCC Part 95.  UV-5R isn't on the list, and FCC is planning on banning
>> the import of any radio capable of being used on a frequency that the unit
>> is not licensed for.  That is if it isn't an amateur radio, in the future
>> any radio imported will only be able to be used on amateur radio
>> frequencies.
>>
>> Also in the near future, radios will not be legally allowed to be
>> manufactured, imported , or sold that can be used on BOTH GMRS and FRS.
>> This is going to cause a problem for licensed amateur radio operators  who
>> own such radios, like I do:
>> §95.1791   Sales of GMRS/FRS combination radios prohibited.
>>
>> (a) Effective September 30, 2019, no person shall be permitted to
>> manufacture or import, sell or offer for sale any radio equipment capable
>> of operating under both this subpart (GMRS) and subpart B (FRS) of this
>> chapter.
>>
>> FRS allows 2 watts or less on channels 1 – 7 and the previously GMRS only
>> channels of 15 – 22, but only 0.5 watts on channels 8 – 14.
>> GMRS licensees can use up to 50 watts, but there are somewhat complicated
>> restrictions and an FCC 10 year renewable license (good for entire family)
>> is needed. GMRS licensees can also operate on 8 additional repeater
>> frequencies.
>>
>> The regulations for GMRS are quite complicated.
>> https://ecfr.io/Title-47/se47.5.95_11767
>>
>> I think the past practice of this group not to provide such information
>> to unlicensed persons is a wise one.
>>
>> 73
>> David N1EA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:48 PM Glenn At Home <glennervin at cableone.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let's not play police here.
>>> I do believe that the FCC has allowed some of the FRS frequencies, now
>>> up to 2 watts.
>>> To answer the question, make sure the same frequencies are in the column
>>> next to the receive column.
>>> I don't recall if they are labeled RX and TX or what.
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> *From:* John Wuest <jhwuest at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:42 PM
>>> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
>>>
>>> Using your UV-5R on FRS frequencies will be a violation of Federal Law.
>>> That radio is not, nor can not be, type accepted for that service.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:25 PM Todd J. Unkefer <tunkefer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can hear the FRS radios on their respective channels, I cannot
>>>> transmit on those respective channels. How can I enable the transmit on
>>>> chirp?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Todd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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