[chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS

Sun Jun 23 22:55:16 PDT 2019

C'mon, folks. Lets get real.

In a life or death scenario, I'll use any radio, on any frequency, to
summon aid. Afterward we can deal with legal.

The medical certifications I held as a field qualified member of the
Southern Arizona Rescue Association are not current, but in a life or death
situation, I'll still render first aid, CPR, rescue breathing, or anything
else I was recently certified to perform, regardless of my legal
liability.  I would not act recklessly, and would act within my training.

Yes, I could be sued; no, I wouldn't be covered by the Good Samaritan law.
But if I could save a limb or a life, I would provide aid. Saving a life is
more important than laws.

Just my personal belief.  Not a reflection on SARA training or philosophy,
nor on FCC regulations.

<end rant>

Ed K6ESS
Sacramento CA

Make everything as simple as possible,  but not simpler.  Albert Einstein

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 22:14 Paul Duer <duerhome at mail.com> wrote:

> The law is humanity's best attempt at justice, but it is fallible. It
> often makes criminals of decent people. I cannot imagine any jury
> convicting someone, licensed or not, of using a non-type accepted radio on
> an FRS channel in the course of saving life, limb or property.
>
> Paul Duer
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 3:11 PM
> *From:* "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea at arrl.net>
> *To:* "Discussion of CHIRP" <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
> We also do not want to be accomplices in the commission of a crime.
> §95.335   Operation of non-certified transmitters prohibited.
>
>
> https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=513d144496fe583b1100416953ca419f&mc=true&node=se47.5.95_1335&rgn=div8
>
>
> GMRS and FRS regulations have changed, but unlicensed FRS does not permit
> any radio that has a removable antenna.  Also radios have to be certified
> under FCC Part 95.  UV-5R isn't on the list, and FCC is planning on banning
> the import of any radio capable of being used on a frequency that the unit
> is not licensed for.  That is if it isn't an amateur radio, in the future
> any radio imported will only be able to be used on amateur radio
> frequencies.
>
> Also in the near future, radios will not be legally allowed to be
> manufactured, imported , or sold that can be used on BOTH GMRS and FRS.
> This is going to cause a problem for licensed amateur radio operators  who
> own such radios, like I do:
> §95.1791   Sales of GMRS/FRS combination radios prohibited.
>
> (a) Effective September 30, 2019, no person shall be permitted to
> manufacture or import, sell or offer for sale any radio equipment capable
> of operating under both this subpart (GMRS) and subpart B (FRS) of this
> chapter.
>
> FRS allows 2 watts or less on channels 1 – 7 and the previously GMRS only
> channels of 15 – 22, but only 0.5 watts on channels 8 – 14.
> GMRS licensees can use up to 50 watts, but there are somewhat complicated
> restrictions and an FCC 10 year renewable license (good for entire family)
> is needed. GMRS licensees can also operate on 8 additional repeater
> frequencies.
>
> The regulations for GMRS are quite complicated.
> https://ecfr.io/Title-47/se47.5.95_11767
>
> I think the past practice of this group not to provide such information to
> unlicensed persons is a wise one.
>
> 73
> David N1EA
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:48 PM Glenn At Home <glennervin at cableone.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Let's not play police here.
>> I do believe that the FCC has allowed some of the FRS frequencies, now up
>> to 2 watts.
>> To answer the question, make sure the same frequencies are in the column
>> next to the receive column.
>> I don't recall if they are labeled RX and TX or what.
>> Glenn
>>
>> *From:* John Wuest <jhwuest at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:42 PM
>> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS
>>
>> Using your UV-5R on FRS frequencies will be a violation of Federal Law.
>> That radio is not, nor can not be, type accepted for that service.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:25 PM Todd J. Unkefer <tunkefer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can hear the FRS radios on their respective channels, I cannot
>>> transmit on those respective channels. How can I enable the transmit on
>>> chirp?
>>>
>>> Thanks, in advance.
>>>
>>> Todd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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