[chirp_users] Concurrance

Tue Jan 9 16:23:32 PST 2018

Keep in mind that this sort of behavior is neither new nor the rule. It's
been going on for many, many years (maybe Marconi and Tesla started it all)
and has been, in my experience, far more of an exception rather than the
rule.

Sadly, it can create havoc when the bad manners are displayed by someone
who is loud enough, rude enough, and has a few minions. An example from
back in the early days of packet radio comes to mind...

There was a ham (now SK) who was belligerent enough to spout nonsense and
half baked ideas and made a fair number of people believe him. He wrote a
piece of packet software that was, at best, marginal. Then, when other
software became (far) more popular than his, he turned on packet in general
and effectively destroyed it. At the time, packet had huge potential to
change ham radio for the better. Today, it is relegated to position and
weather reporting.

Why? Because the ham in question hated the idea of "newbies" taking away
his private bands and toys.

Take Care & 73
KC6UFM
Charles

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Shon Edwards <sre.1966 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's so true, George.  I appreciate both your comments.  I'm one who is
> not as knowledgeable as most on this thread, so I'm grateful for all the
> experience that has been imparted to myself on this thread.
>
> As to your comment, here is a case in point that is kind of sobering.  I
> loved the Alinco DJ-G29, which is a 220/900 MHz radio.  Diamond even
> created an antenna, specifically for this radio, SRH229, which was only for
> the two bands.  I figured it must have been popular, as my radio was
> back-ordered 4 months at AES.  I talked to many people on our 33 CM
> repeater here in Salt Lake City.  Everyone I talked to had had their radio
> on backorder for a long time, too.
>
> Then suddenly -- poof!  It disappeared from the market.  The only place
> I've been able to find it is at a little shop in S. California, which had a
> supply of them before they quit and still have them.
>
> Sorry if I'm drawing it out.  The point is this.  I called Alinco and
> talked to a guy there about the DJ-G29.  I asked him why such a popular
> radio had just disappeared right after coming on the market.  His answer
> was simple and a bit startling to me.  I felt a bit ashamed for some in our
> hobby.  He said that Alinco had ceased making them after a huge amount of
> pressure came on them of 33 CM hams all around.  Some had even said they
> would boycott Alinco.  The attitude, he said, was that there was so much
> opposition against it because those on 33 CM had to specially mod radios
> and do all kinds of specialized things to the radios to make them work.
> They didn't want any "greenie hams" taking over "their" band.  In fact, he
> said, the opposition was so loud against providing these "easy" to use
> radios, especially for greenies, that Alinco just dropped it.  Shame
> shame!  Don't we always say about our bands and radios:  "if you don't use
> it, we'll lose it".
>
> I should know it takes a little work.  I had a Motorola Spectra modded by
> a wonderful guy in Vegas.  I didn't even have the equipment to do such a
> thing.  He reported to me that he couldn't use a new computer to program
> it, but rather an IBM 8086 with DOS to program frequencies, etc., if my
> memory doesn't fail me.  He replaced all my caps for free, another good
> idea with these older radios.  And I have a "problem".  All the frequencies
> are hard coded into the radio; I can't change them.  If a new repeater
> comes online, I can't use it with this radio.  If I have a DJ-G29, however,
> i can simply flip to the new frequency, program it, and use it.  It only
> runs on one or two watts on that band, but it's enough for around here.
>
> I do like my Motorola, but you have to consider what it takes to get it
> running.  I had to order a Spectra from Ebay within a certain number range
> on the back of the radio, which indicates the frequency  range, among other
> things.  You can't get the wrong one or you're up a creek, and they can
> sometimes be hard to differentiate from each other, especially with just
> the Ebay info.  Then you have to run it through some processes, such as
> changing the caps, programming the radio with ancient hard to find
> equipment.  I paid someone to do all this because I either didn't want to
> do it or didn't know how/didn't have the resources, etc.  In order to have
> a decent signal, I also chose a Spectra that would do 35 W.  I bought some
> LMR-900 -- hard line -- expensive -- even a short 20 foot run cost over
> $600 -- the coax company charged $60 apiece for special N connectors which
> would fit the hardline, a special "cutting fee" because no one uses
> LMR-900, and the expensive x dollars per feet for the coax.  Yes, I know
> there is heliax and other types of hardline.  I like the fact that the LMR
> has a DB type cable.  Had to buy a mast for the antenna, buy an antenna, a
> small yagi, with 17 dBi, etc. etc.
>
> Now I know I'm being verbose.  Forgive me.  I'm just trying to make a
> point that a 33 CM radio can sometimes be expensive and hard to set up to
> get what you want.  You may need experts to help you.  With the DJ-G29 it
> was possible to plug in a frequency and a CTCSS tone and just talk.
>
> What a waste!  What a shame!  What an "un-ham" attitude.
>
> Forgive me if there are mistakes here;; this is what I remember.
>
> 73 de Shon K6QT
>
> Shon R. Edwards, MA, AG (Czech Republic)
> Amateur call:  K6QT
> 1039 N 2575 W
> Layton, UT, 84041-7709
> USA
> Home phone:  (801) 444-3445
> E-mail:  sre.1966 at gmail.com
>
> or
>
> Shon Edwards
> 715 Strawberry Creek Private Rd.
> Bedford, WY 83112
> Cell:  (307) 248-2104
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 2:50 PM, George Hale Jr. <ghalejr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Like my Mother always said, "If you do not have anything nice to say, do
>> not talk at all". I'm astonished on how bad some forums treat newbees. Yes,
>> it gets old sometimes answering the same basic question many times, But
>> giving a rude answer will only keep others from seeking help. Do we want
>> the hobby to grow. or wither away as we all get old?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Al Jones <al at aljones.us> wrote:
>>
>>> I like the give and take from all the people here *except* that there are
>>> times when it's not helpful at all.
>>>
>>> We get a new member who doesn't know what he's doing, thinks he's read
>>> everything and is still missing "something" --- and one of our beneficent
>>> members replies "RTFM!"  or someone else chimes in with "get the right
>>> cable!" or better yet "That won't work!"
>>>
>>> Those one line zingers are not only NO help, they're probably going to
>>> turn
>>> off some guy who might eventually be the one to help someone else, down
>>> the
>>> line.
>>>
>>> I have a friend who had a Linux problem and the response he got here was
>>> -
>>> "It works fine with *my* Ubuntu!"  Sometimes confirmation that something
>>> works is a big help, it just means that we're not looking in the right
>>> place.  When I phrased his question differently I got some great
>>> assistance
>>> ... there are some good guys here and to them I say "Thanks!"
>>>
>>> << tripping off my soapbox, sorry >>
>>>
>>>
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