<div dir="ltr"><div>I don&#39;t think is does. That is why when you radio loses sync you get R2D2 and others remain able to receive. If I read the protocol documents correctly it is all fire and forget much like the VOIP protocols mentioned before.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Joel Black <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:w4jbb@charter.net" target="_blank">w4jbb@charter.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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    Okay, this goes against what little I have learned about VoIP
    traffic.<br>
    <br>
    I didn&#39;t think there was any FEC with voice.  That&#39;s why voice has
    priority on data networks that use VoIP.  Otherwise, if a data
    packet has priority, it would bump a voice packet.  When a voice
    packet is bumped, you lose bits of it resulting in choppy audio.<br>
    <br>
    I have experienced this when some of our first quasi VoIP locations
    came online.  Voice is live traffic.  Once it is said, it goes. 
    There&#39;s nothing to re-transmit.<br>
    <br>
    Without getting into the engineering (which will leave me drooling
    and nodding off to sleep), how does D-STAR use FEC on voice?<br>
    <br>
    73,<br>
    Joel - W4JBB<div><div class="h5"><br>
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    <div>On 9/20/13 3:57 PM, John Davis wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt">That
            is true. The FEC is on the voice with 2400 bits for voice
            and 1200 for FEC.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt">John
            WB4QDX<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt">
            <a href="mailto:drats_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank">drats_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>
            [<a href="mailto:drats_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank">mailto:drats_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>]
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Metcalf<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 20, 2013 4:55 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Discussion of D-RATS<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [drats_users] ERROR Correction in slow
            speed data<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p>Agreed. From what I have read d-star is a lot like the UDP
          network protocol where it is transmit and forget there is no
          handshaking / error correction built in. It is up to the
          application developer to handle error correction and the
          d-rats package does perform some level of error correction.<u></u><u></u></p>
        <p>Dan Metcalf - KB3UUN.<u></u><u></u></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 20, 2013 3:54 PM, &quot;John Davis&quot;
            &lt;<a href="mailto:jdavis@gtworks.com" target="_blank">jdavis@gtworks.com</a>&gt;
            wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt">My
                    understanding is that the low speed data channel
                    does NOT have error correction, however, D-RATS
                    offers Error correction in Message and File Transfer
                    modes where it is most important.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt">John
                    WB4QDX</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt">
                        <a href="mailto:drats_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank">drats_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>
                        [mailto:<a href="mailto:drats_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank">drats_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Welker<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 20, 2013 3:19 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> D-Rats Mailing List<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> [drats_users] ERROR Correction
                        in slow speed data</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hello all,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Can anyone
                      confirm if the D-RATS slow speed data has FEC
                      (Forward Error Correction) built in now or not?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I understand
                      that D-STAR voice does have error correction built
                      in.  I&#39;ve checked on the D-RATS home
                      page/documentation</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>which is a
                      August 2009 reference.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>This is what
                      I found in this document Under users
                      manual/files:  Is this still current information?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;word-spacing:0px"><strong><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Unlike
                        the D-STAR DV Voice Channel, which has error
                        correction built into the protocol, the Data
                        Sub-channel has no error correction. </span></strong><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:11.25pt;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:9pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;word-spacing:0px"><strong><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">This
                        makes the transfer of data across D-STAR a lot
                        more dependant on a good radio path being
                        established between the two locations wishing to
                      </span></strong><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:11.25pt;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:9pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;word-spacing:0px"><strong><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">exchange
                        data.  D-RATS includes the ability to test
                        connectivity between two locations</span></strong><strong><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:9pt">.</span></strong><u></u><u></u></p>

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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks in
                      advance</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>regards</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dave</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>W2SRP</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Goals are
                      where we want to be;<br>
                      Objectives are the steps to get there.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>There are 2
                      rules to success in life:<br>
                      1. Don&#39;t tell people everything you know.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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