Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to skip if you don't care! <br><br>If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and spinning-platter HDDs. <br><br>Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there! <br><br>Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu. <br><br>This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount of work. <br><br>Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol. <br><br>Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk. <br><br>Matt<br><br>Sent from Proton Mail mobile<br>-------- Original Message --------<br>On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote"><br><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp,
either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong
with it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on
it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who
wants it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several
operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one
that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Glenn</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up,
distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer
supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software
is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.<BR></DIV><BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_attr dir=ltr>On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn <<A
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu
with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb
drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a
VM.</FONT></DIV>
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