<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">You're discussing what some would call an edge case, hams that want to run CHIRP and have vision issues.<div><br></div><div>For example, it's no clear Ubuntu would allow distributing an "Ubuntu + CHIRP + Screenreader" image, based on this restriction:</div><div><br></div><div><ul class="p-list p-list--divided" style="font-size: 16px; box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 1.5rem; margin-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-left: 0px; list-style: none; caret-color: rgb(17, 17, 17); color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Ubuntu, -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;"><li class="p-list__item is-ticked" style="box-sizing: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0.25rem 0px 0.25rem 2rem; list-style: none; background-size: 0.875rem auto; background-image: url("data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2000/svg' width='16' height='16'%3E%3Cg fill='none' fill-rule='nonzero'%3E%3Cpath fill='%230e8420' d='M8 1a7 7 0 110 14A7 7 0 018 1zm2.83 3.502L6.863 9.884 5.174 8.096l-1.09 1.03 2.92 3.096 5.034-6.83-1.208-.89z'/%3E%3Cpath fill='%23fff' d='M10.83 4.502l1.208.89-5.033 6.83-2.922-3.096 1.091-1.03 1.689 1.789z'/%3E%3C/g%3E%3C/svg%3E"); position: relative; background-position-y: 0.55rem; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;">You can redistribute Ubuntu, but only where there has been no modification to it.</li></ul>Source: <a href="https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy">https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy</a></div><div><br></div><div>But there are other distributions that likely would allow it.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe CHIRP-NEXT is intended to be easier to install/configure, if it is not already, and if that's the case, we're back to a single-command install of CHIRP, but configuration of a screenreader woukd still be an exercise for the user.</div><div><br><div dir="ltr">Ken, N2VIP</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 3, 2023, at 09:56, K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Well for accessibility, that is for the visually
impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp
that will install into it.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp
to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using
apt to get Chirp from a repository.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I had to follow step by step instruction to get
Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that
that flatpak breaks accessibility.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">So rather than putting someone through all that,
I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite
to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Glenn</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP
pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would
install CHIRP, wouldn't it?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured
in gigabytes.<br><br>
<div dir="ltr">Ken, N2VIP</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez <<a href="mailto:scottjl@gmail.com">scottjl@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div>
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<div>Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning
redistribution:</div>
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<div>Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image
of it can be considered 'modification'.</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn
<glenn@ervin.email> wrote:<br></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp,
either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing
wrong with it.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp
on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone
who wants it.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with
several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them
to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Glenn</font></div>
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<div>I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up,
distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no
longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason
the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.<br></div><br>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn
<<a href="mailto:glenn@ervin.email" target="_blank">glenn@ervin.email</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu
with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be
implemented.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a
thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a
VM.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Glenn</font></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div>
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