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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I haven't tried it in windows 10, because I only
have NVDA for a screenreader there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I do have Jaws for 40 minutes in demo mode, after a
reboot, but I haven't yet installed Chirp in 10, although I just downloaded
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I don't know how to get NVDA to read and route
cursors like I can with Jaws, so I don't know if even, old Chirp can work in any
windows using NVDA, because I've not ever been able to use Chirp with
NVDA.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>With Jaws, it requires some experience with using
Chirp, which I've done in old Ubuntu, and with Jaws, I do like alt R, and D for
download, and then route Jaws cursor to PC, and find the port with the Jaws
cursor, and route PC to Jaws, and then repeat all that for radio, make, and then
model, and then the okay button, and the message about experimental driver if I
hadn't done the particular radio before.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Same process with importing and
exporting.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>There's lots of steps when the screen is not echoed
to the location of the cursor.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'm just not proficient with NVDA enough to do that
sort of thing, NVDA isn't intuitive to use like Jaws is in my
opinion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>But I'm hoping soon to reboot my system soon to
have 40 minutes of Jaws to give the new Chirp a go.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Glenn</FONT></DIV>
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title=n1ea@arrl.net href="mailto:n1ea@arrl.net">D.J.J. Ring, Jr.</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Glenn,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I use MATE and ORCA.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Do you know if the new CHIRP will be accessible in any other operating
system?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>David N1EA <BR><BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_attr dir=ltr>On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 23:52 K0LNY_Glenn <<A
href="mailto:glenn@ervin.email">glenn@ervin.email</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi David,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>There is only one screenreader for the GUI in
Linux, that is orca.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So you can try running just orca</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>and if it isn't there, you can do the equivalent
of:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>sudo apt install orca</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>for your flavor of Linux.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Make sure you don't use the mouse, otherwise it
won't be a test of accessibility.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Glenn</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A title=boucha@gmail.com
href="mailto:boucha@gmail.com" rel=noreferrer target=_blank>David Boucha</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 02, 2023 9:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Glenn,
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<DIV>Have you tried running chirp-next on Ubuntu? Or tried running it straight
from the git repo? I don't use a screen reader, but I was able to run chirp
directly from the latest branch in the git repo just fine, and without
flatpack .</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Which screen reader do you use on TV Ubuntu? I could try testing
it</DIV></DIV><BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_attr dir=ltr>On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 8:50 PM K0LNY_Glenn
<glenn@ervin.email> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Excuse me, but I prefer windows 7, although I
got a new computer, and bought a key for 7, installed 10, and then put 7 in
a VM, because I like it better, and if it gets infected, I have backups of
the VM.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Now, on Chirp, since it went to having to use
flatpak, Blind folks haven't been able to use it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So if I want to use Chirp in Ubuntu, it's
got to be Ubuntu using an old Python, and Chirp already
installed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>And Chirp is so difficult in windows for people
using a screenreader, I would guess that less than 5% of screenreader users
have the screenreader skills to get around the lack of access to Chirp in
windows.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Glenn</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A title=matt@novakzarate.com
href="mailto:matt@novakzarate.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target=_blank>Matt Novak-Zarate</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 02, 2023 9:01 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but
I have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that
pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free
to skip if you don't care! <BR><BR>If someone has, for whatever reason,
stuck with Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going
to be able to run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on
it, even if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what
makes us think their hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially
when one of them is Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on
DDR3 RAM and spinning-platter HDDs. <BR><BR>Also, if they're going to go
through all the rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the
old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old
Chirp on there! <BR><BR>Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in
using their old hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited
from upgrading either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to
just install Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and
compatibility on older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if
they're into HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a
perfect mentality to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
<BR><BR>This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making
installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS.
Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot
more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of
VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be
connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a
massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount
of work. <BR><BR>Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to
be just two lol. <BR><BR>Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
<BR><BR>Matt<BR><BR>Sent from Proton Mail mobile<BR>-------- Original
Message --------<BR>On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn <
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp,
either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing
wrong with it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp
on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to
anyone who wants it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with
several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of
them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Glenn</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A title=scottjl@gmail.com
href="mailto:scottjl@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target=_blank>Scott Lopez</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up,
distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no
longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason
the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.<BR></DIV><BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_attr dir=ltr>On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn
<<A href="mailto:glenn@ervin.email" rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target=_blank>glenn@ervin.email</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>What would be handy is to have a VM of
Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be
implemented.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a
thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into
a VM.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2
face=Arial>Glenn</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV>
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