<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">What was the original issue that took us down this particular rabbit hole? That going forward development of a Win7 compatible CHIRP would cease, preventing Win7 users from running the latest/greatest release of CHIRP.<div><br></div><div>Presumably the person raising the question is happy with the level of security they believe they currently have with Win7, and they are comfortable running older software on older hardware.</div><div><br></div><div>If CHiRP currently supports their radios, they have no issue - just as running an older ("FREE!") version of Ham Radio Deluxe or MS Office 2007, the software will continue to just fine on his Win7 system into the future. When he comes into possession of a radio not supported by 'classic' CHIRP but that is supported by 'new' CHIRP he will have to make a decision, either upgrade his OS to Win10, Linux, or MacOS to run 'new' CHIRP or consider manufacturers/RT Systems software for the new radio, assuming they still work under Win7.</div><div><br></div><div>At some point staying with an unsupported OS was going to be a problem, and for this user, this will likely be his problem/his decision point.</div><div><br></div><div>As I stated earlier, I'd encourage a Win10 in-place upgrade with an SSD upgrade at the same time, but sticking with Win7 will only cause more problems as time goes on - for example, you soon may not be able to download/run a secure browser on Win7, if you even still can now.</div><div><br></div><div>If the OP is comfortable with Windows and isn't interested in Linux/MacOS, Win10 is likely the best option.</div><div><br><div dir="ltr">Ken, N2VIP</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 2, 2023, at 21:19, Matt Novak-Zarate <matt@novakzarate.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to skip if you don't care! <br><br>If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and spinning-platter HDDs. <br><br>Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there! <br><br>Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu. <br><br>This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount of work. <br><br>Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol. <br><br>Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk. <br><br>Matt<br><br>Sent from Proton Mail mobile<br>-------- Original Message --------<br>On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote"><br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp,
either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong
with it.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on
it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who
wants it.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several
operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one
that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.</font></div>
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<div>I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up,
distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer
supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software
is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.<br></div><br>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn <<a href="mailto:glenn@ervin.email">glenn@ervin.email</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu
with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb
drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a
VM.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Glenn</font></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div>
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