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    <p>Hi Chuck,</p>
    <p>Your email is very encouraging. I failed my Tech exam yesterday,
      so I am studying more with some online practice exams on eham,com.
      I will retest in May. Meanwhile I have setup some of the local
      channels on my radio but have not heard any traffic. I think I set
      the PL codes correctly.</p>
    <p>Regarding digital, I need to learn the apropos frequencies and
      the apropos packet specifications (WinLink?). I am reading from
      the ARRL Operating Manual, which talks about something like <br/>
    </p>
    <ul>
      <li>APRS</li>
      <li>EchoLink</li>
      <li>IRLP</li>
      <li>Winlink</li>
      <li>NRZ</li>
      <li>Manchester</li>
      <li>Miller<br/>
      </li>
    </ul>
    <p>My intuition is that these are ways to encode binary data on an
      audio transmission/reception signal, both digital and analog
      signals.<br/>
      <br/>
      The encoding of data from software structures into bytes occurs
      just above these encodings. I have some specified encodings of
      common objects I use, using ASN.1 encoding, but more could be
      added such as weather SITREPs, stock info and transmission
      triangulation data, for instance. After encoding the high level
      objects into bytes, then the RFmessage/signal encoding would occur
      (from the list above). Currently my ParrotTalk protocol handshake
      objects are encoded as well as messages supporting distributed
      objects. I use TCP, not UDP, so the idea of a broadcast message is
      still a bit foreign to me. <br/>
      <br/>
      Here is my Java code, I think it still works, but my core
      development occurs in Squeak and I am advancing the
      implementation, including per-connection config, which will need
      up-dating the Java implementation.
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/CallistoHouseLtd/ParrotTalk">https://github.com/CallistoHouseLtd/ParrotTalk</a><br/>
    </p>
    <p>Is there another established mailing list for digital comms over
      RF or might we start one so we do not interfere in this list, as
      we are off-topic?</p>
    <p>I appreciate you.</p>
    <p>Best,<br/>
      Robert<br/>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/8/21 4:26 PM, Chuck Hast wrote:<br/>
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      <div dir="ltr">Robert,
        <div>I for one am interested in what you are working on.</div>
        <div>That is where radio is headed like it or not. As long</div>
        <div>as we set and use 40 year old analog voice tech we</div>
        <div>are going nowhere. On top of that all of the tech</div>
        <div>vultures are circling ready to grab up our spectrum,</div>
        <div>it is use it or lose it. We lost 3.5Ghz to the cellular</div>
        <div>folks, they are trying to grab our piece of 5.8Ghz.</div>
        <div>If you are running a digital repeater you well maybe</div>
        <div>using one of those bands as part of your link to your</div>
        <div>digital repeater. </div>
        <div><br/>
        </div>
        <div>Glad that you got the cable thing straight in order to</div>
        <div>use Chirp to do the radio programming and wish</div>
        <div>you luck with the digital work, we need to see more</div>
        <div>of it in this hobby (as buzzards circle). The zombie </div>
        <div>analog repeater count is extremely high everywhere</div>
        <div>I travel, I think you could give a safety of life alert</div>
        <div>on most of them and no one would hear you. At least</div>
        <div>on most of the digital systems I know that I can get</div>
        <div>on a talk group and get someone.  </div>
        <div><br/>
        </div>
        <div>Keep up the good work.<br/>
        </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 7:35 PM
          Robert Withers via chirp_users &lt;<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" moz-do-not-send="true">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br/>
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            <p>Hey! It worked! I had to seat the cable one last click,
              as I saw ttyUSB0 disappear and then appear on unplugging
              then plugging in the USB and I also had ftdi_sio module
              installed. I seated the cable firmly and read the radio
              config. <br/>
            </p>
            <p>Thanks so much and I would say I apologize for all my
              encoding BS clogging the thread on the wrong list. Forgive
              me my excess. I do not mean to antagonize. Just searching
              for information to become a productive member of the radio
              community.<br/>
            </p>
            <p>Kindly,<br/>
              Robert<br/>
            </p>
            <div>On 4/7/21 8:15 PM, W Paul Mills wrote:<br/>
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                <div>Certainly looks to me like you are trying to make
                  this too hard. Modules needed are loaded usbserial and
                  ftdi_sio. </div>
                <div><br/>
                </div>
                <div>Simply do &#34;ls -l /dev/ttyUSB*&#34; before and after
                  plugging in the cable. You should then know for sure
                  which port to use. Otherwise most common cause of no
                  response from radio is poor connection on the radio
                  end. Try seating the cable with a little extra push.
                  In some cases, cables have even needed to be trimmed a
                  bit to properly seated.</div>
                <div><br/>
                </div>
                <div>I can&#39;t believe all the BS in this tread.</div>
              </div>
              <div><br/>
              </div>
              <div><br/>
              </div>
              <div>On 4/7/21 9:19 AM, Robert Withers via chirp_users
                wrote:<br/>
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                <p>Hi Eric,</p>
                <p>Thanks for pointing me this way, although it seems I
                  am not auto configuring a module for ttyUSB0. I am
                  attaching the output of <br/>
                </p>
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                  <address>lsmod | sed -n &#39;p;$=&#39; &gt; lsmod-count.txt<br/>
                  </address>
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                <p>Where the last line is a line count. There is no
                  changes in this output between having the phoe
                  unplugged versus plugged, so perhaps that is an
                  indicator that auto-config of a module to talk to the
                  radio is misfiring. I dunno. Is this where modprobe
                  comes in? What module name should I install for Chirp
                  managing traffic over ttyUSB0?</p>
                <p>Thanks!<br/>
                  Robert<br/>
                </p>
                <address><br/>
                </address>
                <div>On 4/6/21 9:04 PM, Eric Oyen via chirp_users wrote:<br/>
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite"> Well,
                  <div>It does depend on the GUI. There is actually a
                    control panel of sorts if you use Unity or gnome as
                    your desktop. Under there will be a number of
                    “applets” for hardware configuration. This was the
                    gnome project idea of mimicking a windows interface
                    as well as it’s control panel. However, it is
                    sometimes not as useful as being able to
                    troubleshoot and add/remove devices from the CLI.
                    One should look up lsmod as well as modprobe and
                    Insmod. If things are working correctly, new devices
                    will always appear in the /dev directory and may
                    even have some sort of “magic number” associated
                    with them. That’s an advanced idea and shouldn’t
                    really be of concern for this discussion.</div>
                  <div><br/>
                  </div>
                  <div>Now, if you use the “Lsmod” command (not
                    capitalized, as my stupid autocorrect is trying to
                    change it) before you plug in the usb cable, you
                    should see a list of modules and what they do. After
                    plugging in the cable that connects to your radio,
                    and doing the same command, you should see 1 or more
                    new modules loaded. Those modules will be associated
                    with new devices that show up under /dev. Now, they
                    may be listed as TTYS0 or TTYS1, etc. those would be
                    your comm port entries. ttys0 should be associated
                    with comm 1, etc.</div>
                  <div><br/>
                  </div>
                  <div>Now, if your system is properly configured, then
                    most of this already happens in background. However,
                    there may be some cases where you may have to add
                    your user account to the appropriate group in order
                    to use the device. There are GUI programs for this
                    as well as some CLI commands. Now, some of the
                    commands above may require that you use sudo and log
                    into root. 2 items of caution here:</div>
                  <div>1. If you are unsure, don’t use sudo</div>
                  <div>2. Sudo is dangerous if you mess up. Only for
                    advanced users! So, be very careful if you do have
                    to use it.</div>
                  <div><br/>
                  </div>
                  <div>As always, read the associated man pages.</div>
                  <div><br/>
                  </div>
                  <div>DE n7zzt Eric</div>
                  <div><br/>
                    <div><br/>
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                        <div>On Apr 6, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Al Jones &lt;<a href="mailto:al@aljones.us" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">al@aljones.us</a>&gt;
                          wrote:</div>
                        <br/>
                        <div>
                          <div style="font-family:&#34;Segoe
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                            appears as if we have a computer newbie on
                            our hands since he&#39;s looking for<span> </span><i>device
                              manager</i><span> </span>on Ubuntu ... one
                            of you good linux guys want to take him in
                            hand and walk him through?</div>
                          <div style="font-family:&#34;Segoe
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                            no help, I know a bit about linux but like
                            most of the world I live in windows.</div>
                          <div style="font-family:&#34;Segoe
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                            Original Message ------</div>
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                            &#34;Matthew Poletiek&#34; &lt;<a href="mailto:matthew.poletiek@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">matthew.poletiek@gmail.com</a>&gt;</div>
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                            &#34;Robert&#34; &lt;<a href="mailto:robert.withers@pm.me" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">robert.withers@pm.me</a>&gt;;
                            &#34;Discussion of CHIRP&#34; &lt;<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>&gt;</div>
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                            Tue 4 6 21 18:20:30</div>
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                            Re: [chirp_users] Download From Radio under
                            Ubuntu 20.04 error</div>
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                              <div>Hi Robert,</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>You might want to check to make sure
                                your user has proper permissions.</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>In linux, typically the groups you
                                might need for this kind of</div>
                              <div>operation include `dialout`, `usb`,
                                and while you&#39;re at it you might</div>
                              <div>as well include `plugdev`.</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>The command to add your user to a
                                group might be `sudo gpasswd -a
                                &lt;user&gt; group`.</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>Once thats finished you might need to
                                refresh your profile. Either try</div>
                              <div>opening CHIRP in a new terminal, or
                                log out and log back in.</div>
                              <div>-------------------------------------------</div>
                              <div>Matthew Poletiek</div>
                              <div>303.810.9082</div>
                              <div><a href="mailto:matthew.poletiek@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">matthew.poletiek@gmail.com</a></div>
                              <div><a href="http://www.matthewpoletiek.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.matthewpoletiek.com</a></div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 5:56 PM Robert
                                via chirp_users</div>
                              <div>&lt;<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>&gt;
                                wrote:</div>
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                                <div> </div>
                                <div>Nigel,</div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>Here is some more info, I think
                                  this is saying it is attached to
                                  /dev/ttyUSB0, but same issue.</div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>rabbit@ganymede:/dev$ dmesg | grep
                                  tty</div>
                                <div>[ 0.108543] printk: console [tty0]
                                  enabled</div>
                                <div>[ 0.396294] 00:05: ttyS0 at I/O
                                  0x3f8 (irq = 4, base_baud = 115200) is
                                  a 16550A</div>
                                <div>[ 0.418318] 0000:00:16.3: ttyS4 at
                                  I/O 0xf0e0 (irq = 19, base_baud =
                                  115200) is a 16550A</div>
                                <div>[ 9667.132474] usb 1-1.1.3: FTDI
                                  USB Serial Device converter now
                                  attached to ttyUSB0</div>
                                <div>[10669.642560] ftdi_sio ttyUSB0:
                                  FTDI USB Serial Device converter now
                                  disconnected from ttyUSB0</div>
                                <div>[10670.495576] usb 1-1.1.3: FTDI
                                  USB Serial Device converter now
                                  attached to ttyUSB0</div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>Kindly,</div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>Robert</div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>. .. ... ‘...^,^</div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐</div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>On Tuesday, April 6th, 2021 at 5:51
                                  PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF &lt;<a href="mailto:nigel@ngunn.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nigel@ngunn.net</a>&gt;
                                  wrote:</div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>&gt; Usually /dev/ttyUSB0 unless
                                  you already have another serial device
                                  already plugged in to a USB port.</div>
                                <div>&gt;</div>
                                <div>&gt; Go to file manager and look in
                                  /dev/ and see what appears and
                                  disappears when you plun in and unplug
                                  the cable.</div>
                                <div>&gt;</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt; On 06/04/2021 17:34
                                  Robert via chirp_users<span> </span><a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>wrote:</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt;</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt; Hello,</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt;</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt; Total noob, here. Taking
                                  my exams on Thursday. Got my TIDRADIO
                                  UV-5R and the FTDI cable. How can I
                                  detect which /dev/tty is being used
                                  for the FTDI connection to my radio? I
                                  tried /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyUSB0
                                  which resulted in the error &#39;Radio did
                                  not respond&#39;.</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt;</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt; Kindly,</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt;</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt; Robert</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt;</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt; . .. ... ‘...^,^</div>
                                <div>&gt; &gt;<br/>
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* W. Paul Mills         SN807                     *
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