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<font size="-1">></font> "FRS is licensed by rule. This means an
individual license is not required to operate an FRS radio provided
you comply with the rules. You may operate an FRS radio regardless
of your age, and for personal or for business use if you are not a
representative of a foreign government."
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<font size="-1">The same website also states:<br>
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</font><font size="-1">"You can operate a FRS transmitter at any
place where the FCC regulates radio communications, subject to
certain limitations. A FRS transmitter may not be modified <i>and
must be certified by the FCC</i>."<br>
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This is also valid for GMRS in </font><font size="-1">§95.1761,
GMRS transmitter certification:<br>
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</font>(a) Each GMRS transmitter (a transmitter that operates or is
intended to operate in the GMRS) must be certified in accordance
with this subpart and part 2 of this chapter.<font size="-1"><br>
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If the Arcshells aren't specifically certified for GMRS, then you
can't legally use them.<br>
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<font size="-1">Regards<br>
Bernhard AE6YN<br>
Fremont, CA<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12-May-20 11:55, Chance Fulton
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<div>The license isn't a physical license, that part is only to
use the higher powered GMRS frequencies that are usually
included in blister pack radios from big box stores.<br>
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<div>"FRS is licensed by rule. This means an individual license
is not required to operate an FRS radio provided you comply
with the rules. You may operate an FRS radio regardless of
your age, and for personal or for business use if you are not
a representative of a foreign government."</div>
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href="https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/family-radio-service-frs"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/family-radio-service-frs</a></div>
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<div>That said, the Arcshell radios are most certainly not legal
for FRS (for many different reasons), and probably not for
GMRS by (at least) not being type accepted for part 95 use.</div>
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<div>-Chance<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 2:45
PM Bernhard Hailer <<a href="mailto:ae6yn@arrl.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">ae6yn@arrl.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div> > GMRS does require a license, and FRS doesn't.<br>
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This statement is incorrect. Even FRS requires a license,
but in the case of this service it is free of cost: the
license comes with the radio, <i>which must be FCC approved</i>
for this particular service. Many of the cheap radios don't
fulfill this requirement and are not legal to use.<br>
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As stated by other posters already: it would be your best
option to get a ham radio Technician license. It's not very
difficult, you must go to an exam session (35 questions
multiple choice, easy; the difficult thing these days with
COVID-19 is the availability of such exams, though). With a
Technician license you are legally allowed to use radios not
approved by the FCC while operating on ham bands - but still
not on GMRS or FRS or CB or MURS. These services <i>always
</i>require FCC approved equipment.<br>
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<br>
Regards<br>
Bernhard AE6YN<br>
Fremont, CA<br>
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<div>On 12-May-20 08:11, Mark Blackwell wrote:<br>
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<div>GMRS does require a license, and FRS doesn't. A
citizens band radio doesn't require a license either,
but I don't think its your best choice. Hilly terrain
may be an asset or a big problem if you have neighbors
on the other side of the hill.<br>
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<div>Not being FCC approved may involve more than just
which frequencies are being used. I is certainly
possible, or even likely that even if its on the right
frequency, the transmission may not meet the
requirements to be legal. For your system to work, it
needs regular practice.<br>
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<div>From your brief description, the best option I see is
having neighbors in key spots get an amateur radio
license. It does require a test, but the first test
isn't that hard. There are three level of licenses in
amateur radio. The technicians license is the lowest,
and the test isn't that hard. It's likely to work for
most of your options. The General License allow a lot
more privileges, but it is a harder test. The Amateur
Extra is the highest level, and by far the toughest
test. For me I was really ready for the Tech in about 2
weeks. The General took about a month of study and the
Extra about 2 months. This is a few minutes of study a
day, not an 8 hour a day crash course. Not everyone
would necessarily need a license. <br>
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<div>The benefits are many. Even without power, many
larger more powerful units can be powered with
batteries, generators or a host methods that don't
require the grid to be working. It also counts on no
infrastructure like cell towers or the internet. Though
some in amateur radio use the internet for many things,
if its out it isn't essential <br>
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<div>Check out the ARRL website. There is a lot there
that is good information that I think will go a long way
to helping you make the best decision for your
community. Also local ham clubs are a good starting
point as well.<br>
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<div> Mark Blackwell<br>
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<div> <a href="mailto:markshamradio@pobox.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">markshamradio@pobox.com</a><br>
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<div>On Mon, May 11, 2020, at 6:53 PM, Jonathan Pierce
wrote:<br>
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<p>Best wishes from a Noob,<br>
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<p> <br>
</p>
<p> I am a FireWise neighborhood council member in a
rural, high-risk forested area (70 miles from the
Paradise Fire) of northern California. Several
neighbors and I want to set up a backup evacuation
radio notification system for our neighborhood in
the event that power (lose cable internet and VOIP
phone service) and cell towers are down (the local
tower burnt last year during an event). And we have
spotty cell coverage at best.<br>
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<p> We found the best-seller Arcshells on Amazon are
powerful and reach through our hilly neighborhood
OK. But I understand that 1. The devices are not FCC
approved; 2. Antennae is removable; 3. Stock
programming is a mix of FRS and GMRS frequencies.
Fire chief has given go ahead for us to use them if
we don’t interfere with any of the EMS, police, and
fire frequencies. The stock frequencies programmed
in the Arcshell AR-5 are indeed different than all
the official ones used.<br>
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<p> But some neighbors want the radios reprogrammed
so they are strictly only using FRS frequencies.
I’ve been able to query and download the memory from
an arcshell, and I believe I have figured out how to
save a modified memory profile to a file so that it
could uploaded to all units.<br>
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<p> Questions: 1. Using the chirp edit function can
I just go ahead and change all channels’ frequencies
to strictly FRS permitted ones? 2. Do I need to
change any of the other settings like Tone Mode,
Tonesql, DTCS Code, etc, or can they just remain as
is?<br>
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<p> Thanks for your knowledgeable help!<br>
</p>
<p>Jonathan<br>
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