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<div>The law is humanity's best attempt at justice, but it is fallible. It often makes criminals of decent people. I cannot imagine any jury convicting someone, licensed or not, of using a non-type accepted radio on an FRS channel in the course of saving life, limb or property.</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 3:11 PM<br/>
<b>From:</b> "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@arrl.net><br/>
<b>To:</b> "Discussion of CHIRP" <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com><br/>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;">We also do not want to be accomplices in the commission of a crime.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;"><a href="https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=513d144496fe583b1100416953ca419f&mc=true&node=se47.5.95_1335&rgn=div8" target="_blank">https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=513d144496fe583b1100416953ca419f&mc=true&node=se47.5.95_1335&rgn=div8</a> </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;">GMRS and FRS regulations have changed, but unlicensed FRS does not permit any radio that has a removable antenna. Also radios have to be certified under FCC Part 95. UV-5R isn't on the list, and FCC is planning on banning the import of any radio capable of being used on a frequency that the unit is not licensed for. That is if it isn't an amateur radio, in the future any radio imported will only be able to be used on amateur radio frequencies.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;">Also in the near future, radios will not be legally allowed to be manufactured, imported , or sold that can be used on BOTH GMRS and FRS. This is going to cause a problem for licensed amateur radio operators who own such radios, like I do:</div>
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<p style="text-indent: 2.0em;color: rgb(0,0,0);font-family: "Open Sans" , Arial , sans-serif;font-size: 14.0px;">(a) Effective September 30, 2019, no person shall be permitted to manufacture or import, sell or offer for sale any radio equipment capable of operating under both this subpart (GMRS) and subpart B (FRS) of this chapter.</p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;">FRS allows 2 watts or less on channels 1 – 7 and the previously GMRS only channels of 15 – 22, but only 0.5 watts on channels 8 – 14.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;">GMRS licensees can use up to 50 watts, but there are somewhat complicated restrictions and an FCC 10 year renewable license (good for entire family) is needed. GMRS licensees can also operate on 8 additional repeater frequencies. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;">The regulations for GMRS are quite complicated. <a href="https://ecfr.io/Title-47/se47.5.95_11767" style="font-size: small;" target="_blank">https://ecfr.io/Title-47/se47.5.95_11767</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;">I think the past practice of this group not to provide such information to unlicensed persons is a wise one.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;">David N1EA</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:48 PM Glenn At Home <<a href="mailto:glennervin@cableone.net" onclick="parent.window.location.href='mailto:glennervin@cableone.net'; return false;" target="_blank">glennervin@cableone.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Let's not play police here.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I do believe that the FCC has allowed some of the FRS frequencies, now up to 2 watts.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">To answer the question, make sure the same frequencies are in the column next to the receive column.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I don't recall if they are labeled RX and TX or what.</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:jhwuest@gmail.com" onclick="parent.window.location.href='mailto:jhwuest@gmail.com'; return false;" target="_blank" title="jhwuest@gmail.com">John Wuest</a></div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:42 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" onclick="parent.window.location.href='mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com'; return false;" target="_blank" title="chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">Discussion of CHIRP</a></div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [chirp_users] Transmit UV5r to FRS</div>
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<div>Using your UV-5R on FRS frequencies will be a violation of Federal Law. That radio is not, nor can not be, type accepted for that service.</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:25 PM Todd J. Unkefer <<a href="mailto:tunkefer@gmail.com" onclick="parent.window.location.href='mailto:tunkefer@gmail.com'; return false;" target="_blank">tunkefer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I can hear the FRS radios on their respective channels, I cannot transmit on those respective channels. How can I enable the transmit on chirp?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, in advance.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Todd</p>
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