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<p>I second that. Somewhere there must be an email list just for
twerps who want to debate Antivirus protection strategy, and it's
calling your names.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/29/2018 11:25 AM, Mike Birch
wrote:<br>
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<p>Gentlemen,<br>
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<p>Would you please take your OT "holy war/debate" about
antivirus software someplace other than the [chirp_users]
list....<br>
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<p>Your current discussion thread has NOTHING to do with CHIRP.<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Thank You,<br>
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--<br>
Michael Birch KD9BDL<br>
Grid: EN53la<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/29/2018 8:53 AM, Kenneth L.
Bechtel, II wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As someone who has been researching and
fighting Viruses/ Malware for 30 years, this is the most
IGNORANT, DANGEROUS advice that I’ve come across lately.
This is in no way shape or form how AV products work. Yes,
I preach the most effective tools are basic security
practices, but those practices include the proper defensive
tools. HOW THE HECK can you know you’re not infected if you
haven’t even checked your system. That’s like saying I’m
healthy because a doctor hasn’t told me I have high blood
pressure, and since I haven’t been told I haven’t seen a
doctor in 10 years. It’s advice such as this (along with I
don’t run av because I run a Mac/Linux and there is nothing
targeting them). Please Leave the defensive advice to the
professionals who KNOW what they are talking about, thank
you<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:black">Kenneth L. Bechtel, II<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:black">Team Anti-Virus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:black">Phone:
717-473-0839 |Member AVAR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:black">email - <a
href="mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org</a>
|Founding Member AVIEN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:black">PGP Footprint: 969E 2A27 3042 EE52
AEFB 6FF0 2711 9467 D38C 5C0F<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dennis Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 29, 2018 9:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dave B <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:g8kbv@uku.co.uk" moz-do-not-send="true"><g8kbv@uku.co.uk></a>;
Discussion of CHIRP <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with
Norton etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dump 3rd party AV suites and use the OS
provided AV tools. In order for antivirus software to
work, it needs to install hooks into the OS, introducing
weaknesses into the OS that were not there before. For an
AV to work they need to do all the things a virus does
such as man in the middle attacks EG reading your
communications, even secured communications. The OS
developers know where the right places to install it's own
AV without weakening the OS.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's hard to know where a virus ends
and the AV starts because they both do the same thing to
get installed starting with the similar social
and psychological tricks to get you to install them. And
once installed they both use these same tricks (but in
different ways) to make you keep them installed, or to
prevent uninstallation. A bit like different political
parties! <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As previously mentions, the best AV
is UNcommon sense! Think before you click, ask the
following questions : <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Who gains from this? Is
there ulterior motive such as gaining personal
information?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">*Did I ask for this? Unsolicited
files or offers are not free, nothing is free except
risk.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">*Do I want this? -- Does the file
come with an anything extra you didn't want<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">*Why are they asking me for this? --
EG do they need my credit card number? All I need in
some cases is a name, half a telephone number or
postcode/town name and I can with reasonable certainty
find someone and dig really deep in to their personal
life (I had to do this for a job I had, I'm no expert
but I always got my target, a professional will always
get you).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">*Is this really the file I wanted? --
Do you know how to check the file for tampering by
checking the MD5 checksum?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And more importantly a good, tested
backup system known to be reliable and accessible is the
minimum safety you should have. I mirror my drive and
have copies made stored in my safe, and at a remote
location. The remote variant is in a uniquely sealed
bag, but that's just me. For many this is overkill.
However, I can be up and running from a dead PC in 20
minutes from exactly where I left off.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have not had a successful virus or
malware attack in 10 years since adopting this method.
SSD's instead of spinning rust drives are vastly faster,
and for the most part just as reliable, but with the
back ups it makes them even better. Also it's fair to
say this method works equally as well for Windows and
Linux, and probably Macs but since adding things like
extra drives is almost impossible, I have my doubts!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"></RANT><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dennis Smith<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">M1DLG<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 29 January 2018 at 08:53, Dave B
via chirp_users <<a
href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Quite
honestly, I'm amazed anyone still thinks running
Norton AV is an acceptable solution to a perceived
problem.<br>
<br>
It itself is riddled with inconsistencies and other
funnies, plus has a hair trigger for false
positives. "Not seen by many users" is NOT a good
metric to judge if something is bad or not.<br>
<br>
Windows own Windows Defender, in conjunction with
whatever "Security Essentials" is now called is more
than adequate for 90+% of users, and the price is
right.<br>
<br>
Coupled with the use of "uBlock Origin" in your web
browsers, to block the obnoxious nasties in on-line
add's, and you'll have a slick fast and more than
safe enough system. (Heck, that is even in the MS
app store now, as well as Chrome's webstore.)<br>
<br>
The single best AV tool, is common sense... Never,
and I mean NEVER <b>NEVER</b> Click on a popup you
didn't expect*, or go to a site or download
something <b>YOU DID NOT YOURSELF ASK OR GO LOOKING
FOR</b>!<br>
<br>
And Never EVER respond to anything in unsolicited
(spam) email's, however attractive the proposition
may look.<br>
<br>
(* Not even any 'X' close button, that only confirms
that they've found a human, and may not even remove
the popup. Back out of that website/restart the
browser and find another with what you want.)<br>
<br>
Norton AV used to be good, it's now just more
bloat-ware, with questionable practices, and not in
truth a particularly good user experience.<br>
<br>
As above, the best AV tool, is the wet stuff between
your ears. As in all life, if something appears to
be too good to be true, it probably is bad for you,
your PC, and/or your bank account!<br>
<br>
73.<br>
<br>
Dave G0WBX.<o:p></o:p></p>
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