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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I’m not sure that this the right forum for your question, but here’s a short answer. We likewise use UTM on our SAR team. UTM coordinates are easier to determine from a map and thus are better in avoiding human errors. But for practical navigation purposes, such as when marking waypoints with a GPS, UTM and lat/lon are equivalent in accuracy. There is a greater risk of error from other factors, such as accidentally using the wrong datum to determine UTM or lat/long coordinates.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Chopin<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 7, 2017 11:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 103, Issue 6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Lat+Lon..vs UTM<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>We use UTM in our Search And Rescue operations. It is more accurate for pinpointing specific targets than Lat/Lon is.....especially when locating subjects (people).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>73's<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Eric<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>VE7ECJ<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, <<a href="mailto:chirp_users-request@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank">chirp_users-request@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Send chirp_users mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users" target="_blank">http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:chirp_users-request@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-request@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of chirp_users digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Lat + Long => WW Locator (Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)<br> 2. Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Lat + Long => WW Locator<br> (Bisdorf, Paul L Jr CIV USARMY CESWT (US))<br> 3. Re: Lat + Long => WW Locator (Kenneth L. Bechtel, II)<br> 4. Re: Lat + Long => WW Locator (Bruce Harper)<br> 5. Re: Lat + Long => WW Locator (Martin Kratoska)<br> 6. Re: Lat + Long => WW Locator (Patrick Brown)<br> 7. No Data (John Laiosa)<br> 8. Re: No Data (Jim Unroe)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:11:58 -0400 (EDT)<br>From: "Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF" <<a href="mailto:nigel@ngunn.net">nigel@ngunn.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Lat + Long => WW Locator<br>To: Discussion of CHIRP <<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1566243380.216087.1499368318248@email.1and1.com">1566243380.216087.1499368318248@email.1and1.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br><br>In which country. I've never seen UTM before.<br><br><br>> On 06 July 2017 at 13:25 "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" <<a href="mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org">kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org</a>> wrote:<br>><br>><br>> Just to put it out there, many services, such as Search and Rescue use UTM,<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 19:21:39 +0000<br>From: "Bisdorf, Paul L Jr CIV USARMY CESWT (US)"<br> <<a href="mailto:Paul.Bisdorf@usace.army.mil">Paul.Bisdorf@usace.army.mil</a>><br>Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [Non-DoD Source] Re: Lat + Long => WW<br> Locator<br>To: Discussion of CHIRP <<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:92A3EB79857B98468A61E94E5F7022A6011433F71A@EIS-MB0602CPC.eis.ds.usace.army.mil">92A3EB79857B98468A61E94E5F7022A6011433F71A@EIS-MB0602CPC.eis.ds.usace.army.mil</a>><br><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>UTM, or Universal Transverse Mercator, has been in wide use by the military for many years. Of late, it has been largely supplanted by the Military Grid Reference System, which retains the same grid system, but uses naming conventions that are much more user friendly. NATO uses both, but MGRS is far more prevalent, and will eventually completely replace UTM.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>] On Behalf Of Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF<br>Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:12 PM<br>To: Discussion of CHIRP <<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>><br>Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [chirp_users] Lat + Long => WW Locator<br><br>In which country. I've never seen UTM before.<br><br><br>> On 06 July 2017 at 13:25 "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" <<a href="mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org">kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org</a>> wrote:<br>><br>><br>> Just to put it out there, many services, such as Search and Rescue use UTM,<br>_______________________________________________<br>chirp_users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>Blockedhttp://<a href="http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users" target="_blank">intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users</a><br>This message was sent to Paul at <a href="mailto:paul.bisdorf@usace.army.mil">paul.bisdorf@usace.army.mil</a><br>To unsubscribe, send an email to <a href="mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:25:11 -0400<br>From: "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" <<a href="mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org">kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Lat + Long => WW Locator<br>To: "'Discussion of CHIRP'" <<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>><br>Message-ID: <00c701d2f68d$96eb7280$c4c25780$@org><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>UTM was invented by the military and has been adopted by ground search teams<br>worldwide, based on the ability to go to a 1M square. Air and Sea SAR still<br>use LAT LONG due to the larger scale operations and areas. I specifically<br>am in the states.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>] On Behalf Of Nigel A.<br>Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF<br>Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 3:12 PM<br>To: Discussion of CHIRP<br>Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Lat + Long => WW Locator<br><br>In which country. I've never seen UTM before.<br><br><br>> On 06 July 2017 at 13:25 "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II"<br><<a href="mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org">kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org</a>> wrote:<br>><br>><br>> Just to put it out there, many services, such as Search and Rescue use<br>> UTM,<br>_______________________________________________<br>chirp_users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br><a href="http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users" target="_blank">http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users</a><br>This message was sent to Ken Bechtel at <a href="mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org">kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org</a> To<br>unsubscribe, send an email to <a href="mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:25:45 -0400<br>From: Bruce Harper <<a href="mailto:brucebharper@gmail.com">brucebharper@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Lat + Long => WW Locator<br>To: Discussion of CHIRP <<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <CALEB6u7-vRZ=1C8LdU9=<a href="mailto:iHeaQK5ZFpYAAQ-t-rQcGh1645Yw5Q@mail.gmail.com">iHeaQK5ZFpYAAQ-t-rQcGh1645Yw5Q@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Nigel wrote:<br><br>In which country. I've never seen UTM before.<br>><br>><br>> > On 06 July 2017 at 13:25 "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" <<br>> <a href="mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org">kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Just to put it out there, many services, such as Search and Rescue use<br>> UTM,<br>><br><br>?Universal Transverse Mercator, which divides the entire earth into a grid.<br>However, at least in parts of the United States, many SAR groups are<br>shifting to using the United States National Grid (USNG) system, which is<br>what the Federal Emergency Management Agency uses.<br><br>Bruce in Blacksburg<br><br>---<br><br>Bruce B. Harper<br><br>2nd Lt. Recruitment and Retention<br><br>Search Team Leader/Public Information Officer<br><br>Southwest Virginia Mountain Rescue Group<br><br><a href="http://swvamrg.blacksburgrescue.org/" target="_blank">http://swvamrg.blacksburgrescue.org/</a><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20170706/d196a21f/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20170706/d196a21f/attachment-0001.html</a><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 22:53:20 +0200<br>From: Martin Kratoska <<a href="mailto:martin@ok1rr.com">martin@ok1rr.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Lat + Long => WW Locator<br>To: <a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:0e7d9bd3-cf69-d2fd-0e0f-b901ebd3df35@ok1rr.com">0e7d9bd3-cf69-d2fd-0e0f-b901ebd3df35@ok1rr.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed<br><br>I am possibly in wrong forum.<br><br>I am a ham radio operator (call sign OK1RR) for 50 years, active<br>primarily on CW (Morse Telegraphy). Now I should be a new owner of a<br>Kenwood VHF/UHF Transceiver which I plan to use for talking to local<br>friends, possibly using a repeater. Also, frequencies outside of Ham<br>Radio bands are out of scope. Anyway, local roundups are quite marginal<br>for me, my hobby is and will remain Morse Telegraphy and contacts to<br>rare remote places (for hams who knows what 'country', 'DXCC' means - I<br>have 345 DXCC countries confirmed).<br><br>Anyway, Lat/Long is for me not a problem. I wanted to say that for ham<br>radio operators in Europe is more convenient to use the WW Locator...<br><br>My apologies to freaks of Search and Rescue services, military etc. I am<br>not keen of these things and never will be due to lack of interest.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Martin<br>(Prague, Czech)<br><br>Dne 6.7.2017 v 19:25 Kenneth L. Bechtel, II napsal(a):<br>> Just to put it out there, many services, such as Search and Rescue use UTM,<br>> so agreeing on a standard is a good thing.<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>] On Behalf Of Martin<br>> Kratoska<br>> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:10 PM<br>> To: <a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>> Subject: [chirp_users] Lat + Long => WW Locator<br>><br>> Esteemed reflectees,<br>><br>> here is my humble suggestion:<br>><br>> use WW Locator (ie. JO70FB) everywhere, where geographical coordinates (Lat,<br>> Long) are requested. We in EU using mostly WW Locator for such purposes,<br>> some guys are not comfortable with coordinates...<br>><br>> 73,<br>> Martin, OK1RR<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> chirp_users mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>> <a href="http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users" target="_blank">http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users</a><br>> This message was sent to Ken Bechtel at <a href="mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org">kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org</a> To<br>> unsubscribe, send an email to <a href="mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> chirp_users mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>> <a href="http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users" target="_blank">http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users</a><br>> This message was sent to Martin OK1RR at <a href="mailto:martin@ok1rr.com">martin@ok1rr.com</a><br>> To unsubscribe, send an email to <a href="mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:58:34 -0700<br>From: Patrick Brown <<a href="mailto:n7fhb@wickenburg.net">n7fhb@wickenburg.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Lat + Long => WW Locator<br>To: <a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:7073d0f6-8482-d7a7-aa9b-e85b8332a3ce@wickenburg.net">7073d0f6-8482-d7a7-aa9b-e85b8332a3ce@wickenburg.net</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>USA ,Yavapai Co. AZ<br><br> Patrick Brown YCSRT 3213<br><br> N7FHB Wilhoit<br> 145.350 Wildflower<br> SYCSRT TEAM Manager<br> <a href="http://ycsrt.org" target="_blank">http://ycsrt.org</a><br><br>T.E.A.M = Together Everyone Accomplishes More<br><br>On 7/6/2017 12:11 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:<br>> In which country. I've never seen UTM before.<br>><br>><br>>> On 06 July 2017 at 13:25 "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" <<a href="mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org">kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>> Just to put it out there, many services, such as Search and Rescue use UTM,<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> chirp_users mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>> <a href="http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users" target="_blank">http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users</a><br>> This message was sent to Pat at <a href="mailto:n7fhb@wickenburg.net">n7fhb@wickenburg.net</a><br>> To unsubscribe, send an email to <a href="mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br>><br>><br>><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20170706/66f58e5d/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20170706/66f58e5d/attachment-0001.html</a><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2017 02:22:40 +0000<br>From: John Laiosa <<a href="mailto:jlaiosa@gmail.com">jlaiosa@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: [chirp_users] No Data<br>To: Discussion of CHIRP <<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:CADgoaM%2Bt3k8meQQ35Yz9h97RKkhWQkFUSWDimzSdUfycRmpLkA@mail.gmail.com">CADgoaM+t3k8meQQ35Yz9h97RKkhWQkFUSWDimzSdUfycRmpLkA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>After multiple failures with the Mac, I decides to use my work Windows<br>laptop. Got everything setup and working. However when I upload from the<br>radio the spread sheet is empty. The radio indicates it is "waiting" and<br>beeps when it is done, but there is nothing on the spread sheet. I tried<br>uploading to the radio and that did not work either. It appears if the data<br>rate and/or the connection is not correct. What I am missing?<br><br>Thanks for the help.<br><br>John N1BSO<br>--<br>Sent from John's iPhone<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20170707/a0731ffb/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20170707/a0731ffb/attachment-0001.html</a><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 8<br>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 22:54:04 -0400<br>From: Jim Unroe <<a href="mailto:rock.unroe@gmail.com">rock.unroe@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [chirp_users] No Data<br>To: Discussion of CHIRP <<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:CADnO8U6Xguv7h6gmsz3bYhkpPMWj4x8Mwp508sB-PBV1S2aBkQ@mail.gmail.com">CADnO8U6Xguv7h6gmsz3bYhkpPMWj4x8Mwp508sB-PBV1S2aBkQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br><br>On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:22 PM, John Laiosa <<a href="mailto:jlaiosa@gmail.com">jlaiosa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> After multiple failures with the Mac, I decides to use my work Windows<br>> laptop. Got everything setup and working. However when I upload from the<br>> radio the spread sheet is empty. The radio indicates it is "waiting" and<br>> beeps when it is done, but there is nothing on the spread sheet. I tried<br>> uploading to the radio and that did not work either. It appears if the data<br>> rate and/or the connection is not correct. What I am missing?<br>><br>> Thanks for the help.<br>><br>> John N1BSO<br><br>You must "download" from the radio to CHIRP first.<br><br>Also, if you programming cable has a counterfeit Prolific<br>USB-to-Serial chip, then you must download, install and select the<br>older Prolific v3.2.0.0 device driver because the one that is<br>automatically installed by Windows is intentionally incompatible.<br><br><a href="http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Drivers.php" target="_blank">http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Drivers.php</a><br><br>Jim<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>chirp_users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br><a href="http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users" target="_blank">http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users</a><br>To unsubscribe, send an email to <a href="mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br><br>End of chirp_users Digest, Vol 103, Issue 6<br>*******************************************<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>