<div dir="ltr"><div>Can always open a terminal and type top and see CPU and memory usage. <br></div>Can also type dmesg and look for any reoccurring odball kernel messages. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Denis Dimick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dgdimick@gmail.com" target="_blank">dgdimick@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>I also run Chirp on a Mac, 5 or so years old, and have not noticed any lag, or "slowness". <br><br></div>Try rebooting, closing ALL applications that may auto-start, and give it a try. I suspect it's a problem with your Mac and not Chirp.<br>
<br></div>Denis<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><br><br>--------------------------------------<br>There is no future until we settle our past...<br></div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe@n8cn.org" target="_blank">joe@n8cn.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Other apps are slow on the mavericks system only, which is why the other two are still ML systems and not mavericks.<div></div><div><br></div><div>On the other two systems CHIRP is the only app that runs with poor performance. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I completely acknowledge that I may not have done something necessary to achieve optimum performance, and would like to discover what that is. </div><div><br></div><div>Downgrading R10 to R6 of the python package did seem to increase the responsiveness. I will be posting some videos to YouTube later today. </div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On May 19, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Jim McCorison <<a href="mailto:jimmcc@mccorison.com" target="_blank">jimmcc@mccorison.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Joe,<div><br></div><div>I run Chirp, latest stable and daily builds, on an iMac with Mavericks with great reliability and speed. I've not tried it on my MacBook Pro. Given that you report that other apps "(Mail.app, Safari, and VMWare/VirtualBox)" run poorly it would appear that the issue is with either your MBP itself or the OS installation. I would suggest getting the underlying problem resolved instead of focusing on Chirp.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Jim</div><div><br><div>
Jim McCorison<br>Orcas Island, WA
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<br><div><div>On May 19, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein <<a href="mailto:joe@n8cn.org" target="_blank">joe@n8cn.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div>
<div>IT's any file, Jens.</div><div><br></div><div>If I go to File and then New and then type things in manually, by the time I get to the third line, I'm already frustrated by the slow, laggy response of the UI.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-jre</div><br><div><div>On May 19, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jens J." <<a href="mailto:kd4tjx@yahoo.com" target="_blank">kd4tjx@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:10pt">
<div><span>Can you provide the file that you are importing that is "reproducing" this behavior. I'll try to load it on my macs to see if I can reproduce.</span></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">
<span><br></span></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><span>I dont think downgrading your special python runtime will make a difference. If it does not, be sure to return to R10, so you dont have any other bugs waiting...</span></div>
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There are at least a dozen mac users on this mailing list that I know of, probably more, and I have not heard anyone describe the symptoms you are having, so I expect it to be a localized/specialized issue. So we can try to work through and attempt to reproduce your issue...</div>
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-Jens</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
<div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Joseph R. Erlewein <<a href="mailto:joe@n8cn.org" target="_blank">joe@n8cn.org</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Jens J. <<a href="mailto:kd4tjx@yahoo.com" target="_blank">kd4tjx@yahoo.com</a>>; Discussion of CHIRP <<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 19, 2014 10:29 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div><div><br clear="none">
</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:10pt">What radios are you editing with chirp?</div></blockquote>
</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Honestly, I never got that far on OSX.</div><div>By the time I manage to get a file with 50-75 entries imported (in itself a slow, not-easy task), the
software becomes unresponsive (beachball).</div><div>I generally just go do something else (email, ect) and come back, and it's still spinning, and force-quit it and give up and go do it in my Win7 vm.</div><div><br clear="none">
</div><div>So, right now, it's "core functionality" that isn't working. no radio yet, at all.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>R10 was installed. Just about to try R6 of the KK7DS package as website document (2012 version) states.</div>
<div><br clear="none"></div><div>-jre</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div><div><div>On May 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, "Jens J." <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:kd4tjx@yahoo.com" target="_blank">kd4tjx@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>I also have not had any of the slowness you describe, and I have run it on various mac machines. A hackintosh which has run lion and mavericks, and a mac book air that has run mountain lion and mavericks.</span></div>
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<span>I assume you must have installed the KK7DS python R10 runtime package in order to get it working as a pre-req step.</span></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">
<span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">What radios are you editing with chirp?</div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">
How many channels do you have visible at once (i.e., how many are you viewing in memory range)?</div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">
<br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">-Jens</div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">
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<div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Pete Mackie <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:pete@seaquest.com" target="_blank">pete@seaquest.com</a>><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Discussion of CHIRP <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>> <br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 19, 2014 10:11 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div>
<br clear="none">Joseph,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of
running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Pete<br clear="none"><br clear="none">
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:joe@n8cn.org" target="_blank">joe@n8cn.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">> I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On all
three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox
Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available.<br clear="none">
> I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it.<br clear="none">
> 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy.<br clear="none">> 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I guess my query is this:<br clear="none">> If
this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success.. <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">> Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application.<br clear="none">> There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No
noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">> Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test
platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)<br clear="none">
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