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sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <hr size="1" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Joseph R. Erlewein <joe@n8cn.org><br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:</span></b> Jens J. <kd4tjx@yahoo.com> <br class="" style=""><b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Cc:</span></b> Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> <br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 19, 2014 10:49 AM<br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX
Woes<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""><div id="yiv9390581437" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">IT's any file, Jens.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">If I go to File and then New and then type things in manually, by the time I get to the third line, I'm already frustrated by the slow, laggy response of the UI.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">-jre</div><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div class="" id="yiv9390581437yqt74788" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style="">On May 19, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jens J." <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kd4tjx@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kd4tjx@yahoo.com" class="" style="">kd4tjx@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br
clear="none" class="" style=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;font-size:10pt;" class=""><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">Can you provide the file that you are importing that is "reproducing" this behavior. I'll try to load it on my macs to see if I can reproduce.</span></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></span></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">I dont think downgrading your special python runtime will make a difference. If it does not, be sure to return to R10, so you dont have any other bugs waiting...</span></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida
console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class="">There are at least a dozen mac users on this mailing list that I know of, probably more, and I have not heard anyone describe the symptoms you are having, so I expect it to be a localized/specialized issue. So we can try to work through and attempt to reproduce your issue...</div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class="">-Jens</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"
class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <hr size="1" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Joseph R. Erlewein <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:joe@n8cn.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:joe@n8cn.org" class="" style="">joe@n8cn.org</a>><br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">To:</span></b> Jens J. <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kd4tjx@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kd4tjx@yahoo.com" class="" style="">kd4tjx@yahoo.com</a>>; Discussion of CHIRP <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" class=""
style="">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>> <br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 19, 2014 10:29 AM<br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes<br clear="none" class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div id="yiv9390581437" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;font-size:10pt;" class="">What radios are you editing with chirp?</div></blockquote></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">Honestly, I
never got that far on OSX.</div><div class="" style="">By the time I manage to get a file with 50-75 entries imported (in itself a slow, not-easy task), the
software becomes unresponsive (beachball).</div><div class="" style="">I generally just go do something else (email, ect) and come back, and it's still spinning, and force-quit it and give up and go do it in my Win7 vm.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">So, right now, it's "core functionality" that isn't working. no radio yet, at all.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">R10 was installed. Just about to try R6 of the KK7DS package as website document (2012 version) states.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">-jre</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class=""
id="yiv9390581437yqt62321" style=""><div class="" style="">On May 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, "Jens J." <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kd4tjx@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kd4tjx@yahoo.com" class="" style="">kd4tjx@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="" style=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;font-size:10pt;" class=""><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">I also have not had any of the slowness you describe, and I have run it on various mac machines. A hackintosh which has run lion and mavericks, and a mac book air that has run mountain lion and mavericks.</span></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></span></div><div
style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">I assume you must have installed the KK7DS python R10 runtime package in order to get it working as a pre-req step.</span></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></span></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class="">What radios are you editing with chirp?</div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class="">How many channels do you have visible at once (i.e., how many are you viewing in memory range)?</div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console',
sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class="">-Jens</div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;" class=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;font-size:10pt;" class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <hr size="1" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Pete Mackie <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pete@seaquest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:pete@seaquest.com" class=""
style="">pete@seaquest.com</a>><br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">To:</span></b> Discussion of CHIRP <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" class="" style="">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>> <br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 19, 2014 10:11 AM<br clear="none" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes<br clear="none" class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">Joseph,<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of
running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">Pete<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:joe@n8cn.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:joe@n8cn.org" class="" style="">joe@n8cn.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN<br clear="none" class=""
style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> On all
three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox
Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available.<br clear="none" class="" style="">> I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> 1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it.<br clear="none" class="" style="">> 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy.<br clear="none" class="" style="">> 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before
finding the file to even bother trying to open it.<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> I guess my query is this:<br clear="none" class="" style="">> If
this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success.. <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application.<br clear="none" class="" style="">> There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class=""
style="">> I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No
noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.<br
clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test
platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> <br clear="none" class="" style="">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none" class="" style="">> chirp_users mailing list<br clear="none" class="" style="">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" class="" style="">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a><br clear="none" class="" style="">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"
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