<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">ok,<div>it seems I didn't spot the follow up before I posted a previous response. I am going to have to figure out how to place Vinux on this machine natively without losing all my other data (at least time machine is handy for this).</div><div>Running Vinux under vmware fusion might be a little problematic as OS X likes to intercept some key combinations before they get to the vNware session.</div><div><br></div><div>I really hate doing things the complicated way.</div><div><br></div><div>-eric</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Marshall wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div><div>How fo I get my email unsubscribed? Please take me off the list. Thanks</div><div>Marshall Bearor N5NQU</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.</div></div> <br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <<a href="mailto:n1ea@arrl.net">n1ea@arrl.net</a>> <br>Date: 07/03/2013 11:22 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: Discussion of CHIRP <<a href="mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com">chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [chirp_users] hello from a new list member <br> <br><br><p>By using Vinux, CHIRP is accessible using ORCA screen reader. ORCA has the gtk accessibility module installed in Vinux.</p><p>CHIRP is not accessible in Windows or Mac, but it is accessible in Linux if the gtk api is installed as it is in Vinux.</p><p>There are a few bugs with Vinux 4.0 when run from CD, but these do not affect usb or hard drive install.</p><p>Tony Sales likes Vinux 4.0.</p><p>73</p><p>David N1EA</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 4, 2013 12:12 AM, "eric oyen" <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@gmail.com">eric.oyen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">That still doesn't help with the overall problem (or perhaps it might). The issue I have right now is that I would like to use chirp and can't. Its not the fault of either NVDA (screen reader for windows) or Voiceover (OS X screen reader). It appears to be a problem with the selected interface. I just tried chirp for win32 and all I got was a blank dialog and no access to any drop down menus (especially those that should work with the alt key in windows). OS X was a little better as I was able to at least access the main menus but couldn't select anything in the program itself.<div>
<br></div><div>This makes chirp a not very useful tool for me (or the thousands of other blind hams in the US). </div><div><br></div><div>what I would like to do is be able to program any supported radio without visual assistance from anyone else. Since I cannot currently do that, it makes me a bit less useful as a HAM on public service events. This also means that I am forced to wait until I can find a volunteer to help me with some tasks involving my radios. This I don't like at all. </div>
<div><br></div><div>anyway, enough of my rant. I do issue this challenge however. I challenge the Author to improve his product. make it accessible for the blind (that is easy to do from a certain point of view). It might be a lot harder for windows than for OS X. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I will give Vinux a try (again). ever since their primary developer left, it hasn't quite been the same (and some things got a bit more broken).</div><div><br></div><div>-eric</div><div>n7zzt</div>
<div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:52 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><p>Eric,</p><p>Download Vinux which is Linux for the Visually impaired from <a href="http://www.vinuxproject.org/" target="_blank">www.vinuxproject.org</a> </p><p>It will boot from DVD or installed on USB stick or installed alongside windows on hard drive.</p><p>I use it all the time, or about 90% of the time, Windows about 10%.</p><p>Linux does everything and much easier than Windows.</p><p>73</p><p>David N1EA</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 3, 2013 11:41 AM, "Dan Smith" <<a href="mailto:dsmith@danplanet.com" target="_blank">dsmith@danplanet.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> the first one is solvable by adding some accessibility features<br>
> (python has some and apple published the API for voiceover). I am not<br>
> a coder, so I can't tell how difficult this will be.<br>
<br>
The detail you're probably not aware of is that CHIRP uses a<br>
cross-platform UI toolkit called GTK. This makes it invisible to screen<br>
readers on both Windows and MacOS, which only support reading for their<br>
native widgets. It works just fine on Linux, of course, but that<br>
doesn't help you.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, there is not much we can do for you here. It's not<br>
feasible to have a volunteer-run application project that supports all<br>
three platforms' UI toolkits natively, and especially one that moves at<br>
the speed that CHIRP does.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Dan Smith<br>
<a href="http://www.danplanet.com/" target="_blank">www.danplanet.com</a><br>
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