[chirp_users] New chirp-next build

Tue Jan 3 09:13:55 PST 2023

What I'm just asking is: "Is 'CHIRP-NEXT' accessible with a screen reader?,
If so which operating systems?"

Current old CHIRP is accessible in Linux with the standard ORCA screen
reader under MATE Desktop Environment.

Will the change to python 3 change accessibility in Linux or other
operating systems?

Kind regards,

David N1EA

On Tue, Jan 3, 2023, 11:59 Ken Hansen <ken at n2vip.org> wrote:

> You're discussing what some would call an edge case, hams that want to run
> CHIRP and have vision issues.
>
> For example, it's no clear Ubuntu would allow distributing an "Ubuntu +
> CHIRP + Screenreader" image, based on this restriction:
>
>
>    - You can redistribute Ubuntu, but only where there has been no
>    modification to it.
>
> Source: https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
>
> But there are other distributions that likely would allow it.
>
> I believe CHIRP-NEXT is intended to be easier to install/configure, if it
> is not already, and if that's the case, we're back to a single-command
> install of CHIRP, but configuration of a screenreader woukd still be an
> exercise for the user.
>
> Ken, N2VIP
>
> On Jan 3, 2023, at 09:56, K0LNY_Glenn <glenn at ervin.email> wrote:
>
> 
> Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp,
> they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install
> into it.
> Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install
> right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp
> from a repository.
> I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a
> newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks
> accessibility.
> So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks
> who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot
> it up and have Chirp working.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ken Hansen <ken at n2vip.org>
> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
>
> Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP
> pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command
> would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
>
> CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in
> gigabytes.
>
> Ken, N2VIP
>
> On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez <scottjl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning
> redistribution:
>
> https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
>
> Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of
> it can be considered 'modification'.
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn at ervin.email> wrote:
>
>> Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility,
>> or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it.
>> I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a
>> drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it.
>> Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on
>> it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu
>> 18 and Chirp.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Scott Lopez <scottjl at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
>>
>> I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up,
>> distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no
>> longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason
>> the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn at ervin.email> wrote:
>>
>>> What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already
>>> installed, so that can be implemented.
>>> I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it,
>>> but I don't know if that can be made into a VM.
>>> Glenn
>>>
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