[chirp_users] This just kills me... chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 15

Christopher F. Beesley chrisbees2 at hotmail.com
Fri Mar 23 21:52:58 PDT 2018


Firstof all .CSV is NOT a microsoft format, end of story. In fact, it hardly justifies being called a format when the only thing that makes it different from any old text is a lot of commas. The .DOC format is not microsoft either, I believe they stole it from WordStar in the same way that they stole the name PageMaker, mangled RS232 hardware handshaking, and failed completely to wire a DIN plug properly on their early keyboards.

Thanks to Brandon Clark, P? P?, and others for their support re: This just kills me...

Trevor Holyoak - I feel that you have given me an unjustified low score on technical aptitude, please allow me to correct that impression. I have worked as an Electronics Design Engineer for most of my working life. As a hobbyist, I have built radios from scratch, I have worked with valves ranging in size from Nuvistors to 4CX250B's and all sorts of transistors. I have modified the Trio 2300G, the Liner 2, and a wartime VHF Tx/Rx of uncertain origin that tuned the IF using a variable capacitor in each IF stage to select stations. I once put together a rats'-nest PLL using a popular chip of the early 80's and then wrote a program on the BBC Micro to prove that it would decode packet radio signals. I put the extra 'dot' on the frequency display of the Icom IC211E and modified the fast/slow tuning button to make it push on/push off. There were many many more such modifications and experiments back then.
I also made a strobe light using the Xenon tube out of an old camera flash gun. It wouldn't work with the trigger voltage provided inside the flash gun, but hooking it up to a handy motorcycle ignition coil solved that little problem! The only thing was that when I touched the metal shaft of the speed control pot I got a bit of a tingle up my arm. This made the strobe light difficult to use - a leather glove helped but was not ideal.
I used a PIC microcontroller to enable me to plug an analogue joystick into a mouse port, so I could then fly the virtual Sopwith Camel properly! I wrote the program for that little device, it worked a treat! The hardware just fitted into the really small size of die-cast aluminium box, the long thin one, complete with a 9-way 'D' connector at each end. Powered by the computer mouse port, it needed no batteries.

The point is, all of those modifications provided IMPROVEMENTS to existing equipment and the experiments provided USEFUL RESULTS which could either be expanded, or would suggest that the whole idea should be abandoned. Neither the modifications nor the experiments were required because the brand-new paid-for equipment did not work straight out of the box. I did not need to scratch around searching for third-party software because the supplied software was no good, all in Chinese, or both.
None of the modifications or experiments were a waste of my time, time which should never have been required in the first place. And this is where the difference is between all those things and the Chinese radios that sparked this discussion. The radios waste my time unnecessarily, it is time that has to be used in order to make the radios work properly. No improvements are made, and no useful results are obtained.
I also repair motorcycle electrical systems and restore vintage reel-to-reel tape recorders amongst many other practical activities. Life isn't all about electronics!
Now I see that you have to use an old version of Python to run Chirp on some computers! Don't get me wrong, I think Chirp is great. But I have to feel sorry for Dan at times...
73 all, Chris



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Today's Topics:

   1. This just kills me.... (P? P?)
   2. Re: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14 (Brandon Clark)
   3. Re: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14 (Trevor Holyoak)
   4. iso usb problems (Phil)
   5. Re: iso usb problems (Chuck Hast)
   6. Re: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
      (Nigel A. Gunn  G8IFF/W8IFF)
   7. Re: iso usb problems (Nigel A. Gunn  G8IFF/W8IFF)
   8. Re: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14 (Aubrey Turner)
   9. Re: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14 (John Kemker)
  10. Re: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14 (Al Jones)
  11. Re: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
      (Nigel A. Gunn  G8IFF/W8IFF)
  12. Re: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14 (Aubrey Turner)
  13. Re: iso usb problems (Jim Unroe)
  14. Re: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14 (Dan Brown)
  15. Re: Chirp wont launch in MacOS (Neil Harrington)
  16. Re: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
      (Nigel A. Gunn  G8IFF/W8IFF)
  17. Re: iso usb problems (Glenn At Home)
  18. Re: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14 (Tom Henderson)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:32:43 -0700
From: P? P? <lr60 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [chirp_users] This just kills me....
To: "chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com"
        <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
Message-ID: <20180322203246.E2C7324F60 at intrepid.danplanet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

The problem with programming the radios has nothing to do with the radios or the software.  It is because of WAR!!!  If you look at the start end of your radio programming CABLE, you will see a bulbous end which contains a small USB-TTL converter.  The Manufacturers of those ?chips? also wrote software to handle the conversion process.   Along comes ANOTHER Chinese Manufacturer who reverse engineers the chips (without paying for R+D) and puts them out for even cheaper.  The original chip maker then puts out software that will identify the fake chips and fail to operate, thus creating the problems for hams.  Even the radio manufacturers have jumped on the cheap bandwagon and incorporated the fake chips in their own cables.  So, WAR has broken out, back and forth. (I converted most of mine to FTDI chips as they have the fewest driver issues.)

There is a trend in even more recent radio makers to provide a straight thru cable with NO USB-TTL chip in the cable.  All that is done in the radio and the makers have full control over that in their OWN software.  So far I have seen this in the Radioddity?s GD-77 and RD-5R.  Unfortunately, (HINT, HINT, HINT) CHIRP won?t work with these DMR radios (YET???!!!)

So, the moral of this story is WAR is BAD!  (Or CHIRP, please rid me of the quirks of Chinese software.)

NH6BF



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 21:28:42 +0000
From: Brandon Clark <kl7bsc at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
To: chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
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>
> I couldn't agree more with your observations Chris. The state of
programming in ham radio is embarrassing at best, I would bet that everyone
on this board knows someone who started in radio, got a handheld, and then
left the Hobby and discussed because they could not get it programmed. That
kind of thing is not at all uncommon and goes beyond embarrassing to the
point of being harmful to the Hobby.
The problem in radio right now is that every manufacture insists on being
an island and not working together. System Fusion, d-star, p25, and so
forth. These are all great modes that have their place but where is the
manufacturer willing to put their pride down and openly allow licensing to
everybody to use "their" mode? And everyone wonders why digital voice never
catches on.
The programming situation is even worse. The only radio I have owned which
uses a standard USB cable is a Kenwood aprs HT. Not exactly an entry-level
radio. And in the complexities of software, and it becomes a nightmare.
Radios needs to behave like phones, plug them into the computer with a USB
cable and then simply drag and drop your CSV file into the right folder for
the radio to read it. Not exactly state-of-the-art technology these days,
yet ham radio manufacturers are still reliving the 80s. How many of those
new hands who quit the hobby would still be hands if they could program as
easily as they could save photos on their cell phone?
Brandon





>
> I've said it before and I'll say it again. The whole concept of
> programmable devices that can be programmed to destruction by interfering
> with the 'wrong' memory is flawed from the start and I don't understand why
> people buy them. The whole concept of programmable devices that require the
> use of non-standard cables which in turn require the use of out-of-date
> drivers on the programming device is ridiculous. Why these radios have
> gained such a following is beyond me. Why most of them have not been
> returned for refunds the minute they exhibit the faults that I have read
> about on here time and time again is also beyond me. Whatever happened to
> Plug And Play?
>
> As an example, even the cheapest printer has more complex user-selectable
> parameters available than most of the programmable radios. Printers come
> with drivers that work, with user-friendly user-interfaces that only allow
> the programming of whatever is sensibly programmable, and with hardware
> interfaces that are connected to the programming device via standard cables
> available from the average supermarket down the road. When I bought my UV5R
> it came with a programming cable that didn't work, and an incomprehensible
> CD full of software that is mostly useless. When I finally got something to
> work the user-interface to the spread-sheet lookalike was at best clunky -
> I would describe it as awful. There were no instructions to speak of and no
> support from the suppliers.
>
> When I add up the hours I have spent and apply a reasonable hourly rate it
> becomes obvious that these radios are not cheap at all.
>
> I recently read somewhere that recent handhelds from at least one of the
> big three suffers from the same problems. That's it then - the end of
> amateur radio is nigh. My one regret is that me and my UV5R have
> contributed to that because I did not return it for a refund.
>
> (The UV5R is not a particularly good radio anyway. The colour display uses
> far too much power and cannot cope with bright sunlight. Mono displays are
> generally far better in both respects, and who really needs colour?)
>
> 73, Chris, an Amateur Radio operator since 1973.
>
>
> ________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:35:19 -0600
From: Trevor Holyoak <trevor at holyoak.com>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
To: chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
Message-ID: <7f8ded2d-1532-8dea-10e8-20ed1909d0ae at holyoak.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

You're forgetting that this is a hobby - one that requires some
technical aptitude. And it's supposed to require that. That's why the
FCC even lets us (in the USA) have this hobby.

Most of the programming software is done by volunteers, free of charge.
The commercial programs don't have enough sales to warrant a lot of time
spent on them. If you don't like what's available, you are welcome to
create something better - that's what this hobby is all about. :)

- Trevor, AG7GX

On 3/22/2018 3:28 PM, Brandon Clark wrote:
> I couldn't agree more with your observations Chris. The state of
> programming in ham radio is embarrassing at best, I would bet that
> everyone on this board knows someone who started in radio, got a
> handheld, and then left the Hobby and discussed because they could not
> get it programmed. That kind of thing is not at all uncommon and goes
> beyond embarrassing to the point of being harmful to the Hobby.
> The problem in radio right now is that every manufacture insists on
> being an island and not working together. System Fusion, d-star, p25,
> and so forth. These are all great modes that have their place but
> where is the manufacturer willing to put their pride down and openly
> allow licensing to everybody to use "their" mode? And everyone wonders
> why digital voice never catches on.
> The programming situation is even worse. The only radio I have owned
> which uses a standard USB cable is a Kenwood aprs HT. Not exactly an
> entry-level radio. And in the complexities of software, and it becomes
> a nightmare.
> Radios needs to behave like phones, plug them into the computer with a
> USB cable and then simply drag and drop your CSV file into the right
> folder for the radio to read it. Not exactly state-of-the-art
> technology these days, yet ham radio manufacturers are still reliving
> the 80s. How many of those new hands who quit the hobby would still be
> hands if they could program as easily as they could save photos on
> their cell phone?
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     I've said it before and I'll say it again. The whole concept of
>     programmable devices that can be programmed to destruction by
>     interfering with the 'wrong' memory is flawed from the start and I
>     don't understand why people buy them. The whole concept of
>     programmable devices that require the use of non-standard cables
>     which in turn require the use of out-of-date drivers on the
>     programming device is ridiculous. Why these radios have gained
>     such a following is beyond me. Why most of them have not been
>     returned for refunds the minute they exhibit the faults that I
>     have read about on here time and time again is also beyond me.
>     Whatever happened to Plug And Play?
>
>     As an example, even the cheapest printer has more complex
>     user-selectable parameters available than most of the programmable
>     radios. Printers come with drivers that work, with user-friendly
>     user-interfaces that only allow the programming of whatever is
>     sensibly programmable, and with hardware interfaces that are
>     connected to the programming device via standard cables available
>     from the average supermarket down the road. When I bought my UV5R
>     it came with a programming cable that didn't work, and an
>     incomprehensible CD full of software that is mostly useless. When
>     I finally got something to work the user-interface to the
>     spread-sheet lookalike was at best clunky - I would describe it as
>     awful. There were no instructions to speak of and no support from
>     the suppliers.
>
>     When I add up the hours I have spent and apply a reasonable hourly
>     rate it becomes obvious that these radios are not cheap at all.
>
>     I recently read somewhere that recent handhelds from at least one
>     of the big three suffers from the same problems. That's it then -
>     the end of amateur radio is nigh. My one regret is that me and my
>     UV5R have contributed to that because I did not return it for a
>     refund.
>
>     (The UV5R is not a particularly good radio anyway. The colour
>     display uses far too much power and cannot cope with bright
>     sunlight. Mono displays are generally far better in both respects,
>     and who really needs colour?)
>
>     73, Chris, an Amateur Radio operator since 1973.
>
>
>     ________________________________
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 09:19:37 +1000
From: Phil <pjevans3 at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [chirp_users] iso usb problems
To: chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
Message-ID: <1521760777.2141.13.camel at optusnet.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Hi All
I'm facing repeated problems creating a chirp usb system. I've checked
my download is correct. Burning is another story. Has anyone burned the
iso recently? I've been using Debian, but just now switched to latest
Mint. I have tried unetbootin, "Disks", and various other tools. I get
messages saying this is not a bootable disk.

How can I seriously validate the steps and accuracy of my burning
process??

Hopefully yours

Phil
VK4AJK


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 18:38:43 -0500
From: Chuck Hast <kp4djt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] iso usb problems
To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
Message-ID:
        <CAN9xdP_bgcf1mWMKgpqg7Pv7kLmTaVknrdA9x_rhBb6_D_1moA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I use Multi-System... Seems to do a great job and if it finds a stick that
is no
good it will tell you. I have a 64G stick with a bunch of OS on it, I use
it to boot
to whatever one I need. If you are just wanting to boot a single ISO it
maybe
overkill but if you want to try several, it works great.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/multisystem/

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Phil <pjevans3 at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Hi All
> I'm facing repeated problems creating a chirp usb system. I've checked
> my download is correct. Burning is another story. Has anyone burned the
> iso recently? I've been using Debian, but just now switched to latest
> Mint. I have tried unetbootin, "Disks", and various other tools. I get
> messages saying this is not a bootable disk.
>
> How can I seriously validate the steps and accuracy of my burning
> process?
>
> Hopefully yours
>
> Phil
> VK4AJK
> _______________________________________________
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> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
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Celestial!!!
Chuck -- KP4DJT
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 20:26:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nigel A. Gunn  G8IFF/W8IFF" <nigel at ngunn.net>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>,   Brandon
        Clark <kl7bsc at gmail.com>
Message-ID: <923098834.177717.1521764760382 at email.1and1.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

But a csv file is proprietary Microsoft format so can't use that. Many of us are not on Microsoft operating systems. And if you make it just like a cellphone, then you're at the mercy of the radio manufacturer to provide the programming.


> On 22 March 2018 at 17:28 Brandon Clark <kl7bsc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>     Radios needs to behave like phones, plug them into the computer with a USB cable and then simply drag and drop your CSV file into the right folder for the radio to read it.
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 20:29:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nigel A. Gunn  G8IFF/W8IFF" <nigel at ngunn.net>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] iso usb problems
To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>,   Phil
        <pjevans3 at optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1794161151.177792.1521764948940 at email.1and1.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

You need to actually install your chosen Linux distro onto the stick, not just write the ISO.
Then boot the stick and install your chosen software.

> On 22 March 2018 at 19:19 Phil <pjevans3 at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All
> I'm facing repeated problems creating a chirp usb system. I've checked
> my download is correct. Burning is another story. Has anyone burned the
> iso recently? I've been using Debian, but just now switched to latest
> Mint. I have tried unetbootin, "Disks", and various other tools. I get
> messages saying this is not a bootable disk.
>
> How can I seriously validate the steps and accuracy of my burning
> process?
>
> Hopefully yours
>
> Phil
> VK4AJK
> _______________________________________________
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> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
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> This message was sent to Nigel Gunn, W8IFF at nigel at ngunn.net
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Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel +1 937 825 5032
Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), e-mail nigel at ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pigs QRP Club International #385,
 Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, GCARES, EAA382.


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 19:30:29 -0500
From: Aubrey Turner <aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
To: chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
Message-ID: <1d58d454-a6b0-a2b5-379d-be2c468c2f05 at gmail.com>
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Not to be overly pedantic, but CSV is not a Microsoft-specific format.?
CSV stands for "Comma Separated Value" and it's a very simple format.?
Lots of software can handle it on all platforms. I can view them even on
my Android phone.

That said, most Windows systems are set up by default to open a CSV file
in Excel, but that doesn't really have bearing on the format itself.


On 03/22/2018 07:26 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>
> But a csv file is proprietary Microsoft format so can't use that. Many
> of us are not on Microsoft operating systems. And if you make it just
> like a cellphone, then you're at the mercy of the radio manufacturer
> to provide the programming.
>
>
>> On 22 March 2018 at 17:28 Brandon Clark <kl7bsc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Radios needs to behave like phones, plug them into the computer with
>> a USB cable and then simply drag and drop your CSV file into the
>> right folder for the radio to read it.
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 20:34:19 -0400
From: John Kemker <kemkerj3 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
Message-ID:
        <CA+r6kYSadzwgyt3Qn64zrbPkKJHkkZVq3hePg=DNetnSooR-+Q at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Umm...I second what Aubrey said.  I was using CSV files on TRS-80s back in
the day.

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Aubrey Turner <aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not to be overly pedantic, but CSV is not a Microsoft-specific format.
> CSV stands for "Comma Separated Value" and it's a very simple format.  Lots
> of software can handle it on all platforms.  I can view them even on my
> Android phone.
>
> That said, most Windows systems are set up by default to open a CSV file
> in Excel, but that doesn't really have bearing on the format itself.
>
> On 03/22/2018 07:26 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>
> But a csv file is proprietary Microsoft format so can't use that. Many of
> us are not on Microsoft operating systems. And if you make it just like a
> cellphone, then you're at the mercy of the radio manufacturer to provide
> the programming.
>
>
> On 22 March 2018 at 17:28 Brandon Clark <kl7bsc at gmail.com>
> <kl7bsc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Radios needs to behave like phones, plug them into the computer with a USB
> cable and then simply drag and drop your CSV file into the right folder for
> the radio to read it.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 19:40:41 -0500
From: "Al Jones" <al at aljones.us>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
To: "'Discussion of CHIRP'" <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
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Nigel, that?s one of the most absurd statements I?ve seen in a long time.



According to computerhope.com a CVS file is

?? a simple file format used to store tabular data, such as a spreadsheet or database. Files in the CSV format can be imported to and exported from programs that store data in tables, such as Microsoft Excel or OpenOffice Calc. CSV stands for "comma-separated values".Jan 24, 2018



Sorry guy, but a CSV file is nothing more than columns of ascii (or Unicode) text with the fields separated by commas.  In fact CSV files can be imported into most text editors and massaged there with no ramifications (( MS Word and it?s ilk are NOT text editors! ))



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 20:56:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nigel A. Gunn  G8IFF/W8IFF" <nigel at ngunn.net>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>,   Aubrey
        Turner <aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com>
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.CSV, .DOC, .PUB and .PPT definitely are Microsoft proprietary file formats although Microsoft have now given up taking people to court trying to protect them. You're right that they will now open in many different systems (except .PUB) but often with differing results.


If you need to be universal, use Open Document Foundation's file formats.



> On 22 March 2018 at 20:30 Aubrey Turner <aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>     Not to be overly pedantic, but CSV is not a Microsoft-specific format.  CSV stands for "Comma Separated Value" and it's a very simple format.  Lots of software can handle it on all platforms.  I can view them even on my Android phone.
>
>     That said, most Windows systems are set up by default to open a CSV file in Excel, but that doesn't really have bearing on the format itself.
>
>
>     On 03/22/2018 07:26 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>
>         > >
> >         But a csv file is proprietary Microsoft format so can't use that. Many of us are not on Microsoft operating systems. And if you make it just like a cellphone, then you're at the mercy of the radio manufacturer to provide the programming.
> >
> >
> >             > > > On 22 March 2018 at 17:28 Brandon Clark <kl7bsc at gmail.com> mailto:kl7bsc at gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >             Radios needs to behave like phones, plug them into the computer with a USB cable and then simply drag and drop your CSV file into the right folder for the radio to read it.
> > >
> > >         > >
> >
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 20:02:44 -0500
From: Aubrey Turner <aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
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CSV was around before Microsoft even existed.

Example:

*
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/370/fortran/GC28-6884-0_IBM_FORTRAN_Program_Products_for_OS_and_CMS_General_Information_Jul72.pdf

See page 17.? The above referenced manual was written in 1972.

More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma-separated_values



On 03/22/2018 07:56 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>
> .CSV, .DOC, .PUB and .PPT definitely are Microsoft proprietary file
> formats although Microsoft have now given up taking people to court
> trying to protect them. You're right that they will now open in many
> different systems (except .PUB) but often with differing results.
>
>
> If you need to be universal, use Open Document Foundation's file formats.
>
>
>
>> On 22 March 2018 at 20:30 Aubrey Turner <aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not to be overly pedantic, but CSV is not a Microsoft-specific
>> format.? CSV stands for "Comma Separated Value" and it's a very
>> simple format.? Lots of software can handle it on all platforms.? I
>> can view them even on my Android phone.
>>
>> That said, most Windows systems are set up by default to open a CSV
>> file in Excel, but that doesn't really have bearing on the format
>> itself.
>>
>>
>> On 03/22/2018 07:26 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>>>
>>> But a csv file is proprietary Microsoft format so can't use that.
>>> Many of us are not on Microsoft operating systems. And if you make
>>> it just like a cellphone, then you're at the mercy of the radio
>>> manufacturer to provide the programming.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 22 March 2018 at 17:28 Brandon Clark <kl7bsc at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:kl7bsc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Radios needs to behave like phones, plug them into the computer
>>>> with a USB cable and then simply drag and drop your CSV file into
>>>> the right folder for the radio to read it.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> chirp_users mailing list
>>> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
>>> <mailto:chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
>>> http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
>>> This message was sent to Aubrey Turner ataubrey.c.turner at gmail.com <mailto:aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com>
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>>
>
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>
> Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel +1
> 937 825 5032
> Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), e-mail nigel at ngunn.net
> www http://www.ngunn.net
> Member of ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pigs QRP Club
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 21:23:52 -0400
From: Jim Unroe <rock.unroe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] iso usb problems
To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
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> Has anyone burned the
> iso recently?

Yes. I recently put Mint on a very old laptop.

> I've been using Debian, but just now switched to latest
> Mint. I have tried unetbootin, "Disks", and various other tools. I get
> messages saying this is not a bootable disk.

I usually use unetbootin, but rufus and etcher also work for me.

Make sure you have a good quality flash drive. I've had similar issues
and switching to a different USB stick solved the problem.

Jim KC9HI


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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 22:21:30 -0400
From: Dan Brown <dan at familybrown.org>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
To: chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
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You're equating things that are fundamentally different.? Yes, .doc,
.pub, and .ppt are proprietary MS formats (though I don't believe
they've ever taken people to court over them).? But .csv isn't, and
never has been--in fact, it's been around longer than Microsoft has by
about three years.


On 3/22/18 8:56 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>
> .CSV, .DOC, .PUB and .PPT definitely are Microsoft proprietary file
> formats although Microsoft have now given up taking people to court
> trying to protect them. You're right that they will now open in many
> different systems (except .PUB) but often with differing results.
>
>
> If you need to be universal, use Open Document Foundation's file formats.
>
>
>
>> On 22 March 2018 at 20:30 Aubrey Turner <aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not to be overly pedantic, but CSV is not a Microsoft-specific
>> format.? CSV stands for "Comma Separated Value" and it's a very
>> simple format.? Lots of software can handle it on all platforms.? I
>> can view them even on my Android phone.
>>
>> That said, most Windows systems are set up by default to open a CSV
>> file in Excel, but that doesn't really have bearing on the format
>> itself.?
>>
>>
>> On 03/22/2018 07:26 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>>>
>>> But a csv file is proprietary Microsoft format so can't use that.
>>> Many of us are not on Microsoft operating systems. And if you make
>>> it just like a cellphone, then you're at the mercy of the radio
>>> manufacturer to provide the programming.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 22 March 2018 at 17:28 Brandon Clark <kl7bsc at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:kl7bsc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> Radios needs to behave like phones, plug them into the computer
>>>> with a USB cable and then simply drag and drop your CSV file into
>>>> the right folder for the radio to read it.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> chirp_users mailing list
>>> chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
>>> <mailto:chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
>>> http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
>>> This message was sent to Aubrey Turner at aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com <mailto:aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com>
>>> To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe at intrepid.danplanet.com
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>>
>
> ?
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>
> ?
>
>
> Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel +1
> 937 825 5032
> Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), e-mail nigel at ngunn.net
> www http://www.ngunn.net
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> International #385,
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 20:50:05 -0700
From: Neil Harrington <neildharrington at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Chirp wont launch in MacOS
To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
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Ok, proper python implemented and I am having the same problem. I have
attached the debug.log file.

Thank you for your help.

Problem: Chirp starts to initiate and then closes out without actually
starting

MacOS Sierra- 10.12.6

Baofeng UV 5RA

-Neil

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 2:14 PM, X-Rogue <x-rogue at mermaid.org> wrote:

> You can?t use ?the latest Python package?.  You have to use the specific
> package indicated in the instruction for this to work.
> Any other packages, even the official python package you?ll likely result
> this problem.
>
> On Mar 17, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Neil Harrington <neildharrington at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I followed all the directions (including downloading a new python package)
> and the search does not provide a remedy.
>
> Adding in the log file
>
>
> Appreciate the help.
>
>
>
> Neils-MacBook-Air:~ neilharrington$ /Users/neilharrington/
> Downloads/chirp-daily-20180316-8.app/Contents/MacOS/chirp ; exit;
> WARNING: Icon  not found
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/Users/neilharrington/Downloads/chirp-daily-
> 20180316-8.app/Contents/MacOS/../Resources/chirp/chirpw", line 126, in
> <module>
>     a = mainapp.ChirpMain()
>   File "/Users/neilharrington/Downloads/chirp-daily-
> 20180316-8.app/Contents/Resources/chirp/chirp/ui/mainapp.py", line 2019,
> in __init__
>     self._init_macos(mbar)
>   File "/Users/neilharrington/Downloads/chirp-daily-
> 20180316-8.app/Contents/Resources/chirp/chirp/ui/mainapp.py", line 1961,
> in _init_macos
>     LOG.error("No MacOS support: %s" % e)
> NameError: global name 'e' is not defined
> logout
> Saving session...
> ...copying shared history...
> ...saving history...truncating history files...
> ...completed.
>
>
> --
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 23:57:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nigel A. Gunn  G8IFF/W8IFF" <nigel at ngunn.net>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>,   Dan
        Brown <dan at familybrown.org>
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OK, so I meant to say .XLS.

I'm only human.


> On 22 March 2018 at 22:21 Dan Brown <dan at familybrown.org> wrote:
>
>
>     You're equating things that are fundamentally different.  Yes, .doc, .pub, and .ppt are proprietary MS formats (though I don't believe they've ever taken people to court over them).  But .csv isn't, and never has been--in fact, it's been around longer than Microsoft has by about three years.
>
>
>     On 3/22/18 8:56 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>
>         > >
> >         .CSV, .DOC, .PUB and .PPT definitely are Microsoft proprietary file formats although Microsoft have now given up taking people to court trying to protect them. You're right that they will now open in many different systems (except .PUB) but often with differing results.
> >
> >
> >         If you need to be universal, use Open Document Foundation's file formats.
> >
> >
> >
> >             > > > On 22 March 2018 at 20:30 Aubrey Turner <aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com> mailto:aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >             Not to be overly pedantic, but CSV is not a Microsoft-specific format.  CSV stands for "Comma Separated Value" and it's a very simple format.  Lots of software can handle it on all platforms.  I can view them even on my Android phone.
> > >
> > >             That said, most Windows systems are set up by default to open a CSV file in Excel, but that doesn't really have bearing on the format itself.
> > >
> > >
> > >             On 03/22/2018 07:26 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> > >
> > >                 > > > >
> > > >                 But a csv file is proprietary Microsoft format so can't use that. Many of us are not on Microsoft operating systems. And if you make it just like a cellphone, then you're at the mercy of the radio manufacturer to provide the programming.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                     > > > > > On 22 March 2018 at 17:28 Brandon Clark <kl7bsc at gmail.com> mailto:kl7bsc at gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >                     Radios needs to behave like phones, plug them into the computer with a USB cable and then simply drag and drop your CSV file into the right folder for the radio to read it.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 > > > >
> > > >
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 23:20:11 -0500
From: "Glenn At Home" <GlennErvin at cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] iso usb problems
To: "Discussion of CHIRP" <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
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Have you tried:
Universal USB?
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
They also have a link to the Yummi method which makes a multi-boot.
I've used it for years flawlessly.
HTH.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil" <pjevans3 at optusnet.com.au>
To: <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 6:19 PM
Subject: [chirp_users] iso usb problems


Hi All
I'm facing repeated problems creating a chirp usb system. I've checked
my download is correct. Burning is another story. Has anyone burned the
iso recently? I've been using Debian, but just now switched to latest
Mint. I have tried unetbootin, "Disks", and various other tools. I get
messages saying this is not a bootable disk.

How can I seriously validate the steps and accuracy of my burning
process?

Hopefully yours

Phil
VK4AJK
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 05:37:49 -0500
From: Tom Henderson <Tom at Henderson4.us>
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 14
To: chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
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Thank Zeus that we finally have that resolved! :-)

Tom Henderson

On 03/22/2018 10:57 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>
> OK, so I meant to say .XLS.
>
> I'm only human.
>
>
>> On 22 March 2018 at 22:21 Dan Brown <dan at familybrown.org> wrote:
>>
>> You're equating things that are fundamentally different. Yes, .doc,
>> .pub, and .ppt are proprietary MS formats (though I don't believe
>> they've ever taken people to court over them). But .csv isn't, and
>> never has been--in fact, it's been around longer than Microsoft has
>> by about three years.
>>
>>
>> On 3/22/18 8:56 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>>>
>>> .CSV, .DOC, .PUB and .PPT definitely are Microsoft proprietary file
>>> formats although Microsoft have now given up taking people to court
>>> trying to protect them. You're right that they will now open in many
>>> different systems (except .PUB) but often with differing results.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you need to be universal, use Open Document Foundation's file
>>> formats.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 22 March 2018 at 20:30 Aubrey Turner <aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:aubrey.c.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not to be overly pedantic, but CSV is not a Microsoft-specific
>>>> format.? CSV stands for "Comma Separated Value" and it's a very
>>>> simple format.? Lots of software can handle it on all platforms.? I
>>>> can view them even on my Android phone.
>>>>
>>>> That said, most Windows systems are set up by default to open a CSV
>>>> file in Excel, but that doesn't really have bearing on the format
>>>> itself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 03/22/2018 07:26 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But a csv file is proprietary Microsoft format so can't use that.
>>>>> Many of us are not on Microsoft operating systems. And if you make
>>>>> it just like a cellphone, then you're at the mercy of the radio
>>>>> manufacturer to provide the programming.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22 March 2018 at 17:28 Brandon Clark <kl7bsc at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:kl7bsc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Radios needs to behave like phones, plug them into the computer
>>>>>> with a USB cable and then simply drag and drop your CSV file into
>>>>>> the right folder for the radio to read it.
>>>>>
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> Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel +1
> 937 825 5032
> Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), e-mail nigel at ngunn.net
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