[chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
Tom at Henderson4.us
Mon Jan 29 09:44:28 PST 2018
I second that. Somewhere there must be an email list just for twerps who
want to debate Antivirus protection strategy, and it's calling your names.
On 01/29/2018 11:25 AM, Mike Birch wrote:
> Would you please take your OT "holy war/debate" about antivirus
> software someplace other than the [chirp_users] list....
> Your current discussion thread has NOTHING to do with CHIRP.
> Thank You,
> Michael Birch KD9BDL
> Grid: EN53la
> On 1/29/2018 8:53 AM, Kenneth L. Bechtel, II wrote:
>> As someone who has been researching and fighting Viruses/ Malware for
>> 30 years, this is the most IGNORANT, DANGEROUS advice that I’ve come
>> across lately. This is in no way shape or form how AV products work.
>> Yes, I preach the most effective tools are basic security practices,
>> but those practices include the proper defensive tools. HOW THE HECK
>> can you know you’re not infected if you haven’t even checked your
>> system. That’s like saying I’m healthy because a doctor hasn’t told
>> me I have high blood pressure, and since I haven’t been told I
>> haven’t seen a doctor in 10 years. It’s advice such as this (along
>> with I don’t run av because I run a Mac/Linux and there is nothing
>> targeting them). Please Leave the defensive advice to the
>> professionals who KNOW what they are talking about, thank you
>> Kenneth L. Bechtel, II
>> Team Anti-Virus
>> Phone: 717-473-0839 |Member AVAR
>> email - kbechtel at teamanti-virus.org
>> <mailto:kbechtel at teamanti-virus.org> |Founding Member AVIEN
>> PGP Footprint: 969E 2A27 3042 EE52 AEFB 6FF0 2711 9467 D38C 5C0F
>> *From:* chirp_users-bounces at intrepid.danplanet.com
>> [mailto:chirp_users-bounces at intrepid.danplanet.com] *On Behalf Of
>> *Dennis Smith
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 9:37 AM
>> *To:* Dave B <g8kbv at uku.co.uk>; Discussion of CHIRP
>> <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
>> Dump 3rd party AV suites and use the OS provided AV tools. In order
>> for antivirus software to work, it needs to install hooks into the
>> OS, introducing weaknesses into the OS that were not there before.
>> For an AV to work they need to do all the things a virus does such as
>> man in the middle attacks EG reading your communications, even
>> secured communications. The OS developers know where the right places
>> to install it's own AV without weakening the OS.
>> It's hard to know where a virus ends and the AV starts because they
>> both do the same thing to get installed starting with the similar
>> social and psychological tricks to get you to install them. And once
>> installed they both use these same tricks (but in different ways) to
>> make you keep them installed, or to prevent uninstallation. A bit
>> like different political parties!
>> As previously mentions, the best AV is UNcommon sense! Think before
>> you click, ask the following questions :
>> Who gains from this? Is there ulterior motive such as gaining
>> personal information?
>> *Did I ask for this? Unsolicited files or offers are not free,
>> nothing is free except risk.
>> *Do I want this? -- Does the file come with an anything extra you
>> didn't want
>> *Why are they asking me for this? -- EG do they need my credit card
>> number? All I need in some cases is a name, half a telephone number
>> or postcode/town name and I can with reasonable certainty find
>> someone and dig really deep in to their personal life (I had to do
>> this for a job I had, I'm no expert but I always got my target, a
>> professional will always get you).
>> *Is this really the file I wanted? -- Do you know how to check the
>> file for tampering by checking the MD5 checksum?
>> And more importantly a good, tested backup system known to be
>> reliable and accessible is the minimum safety you should have. I
>> mirror my drive and have copies made stored in my safe, and at a
>> remote location. The remote variant is in a uniquely sealed bag, but
>> that's just me. For many this is overkill. However, I can be up and
>> running from a dead PC in 20 minutes from exactly where I left off.
>> I have not had a successful virus or malware attack in 10 years since
>> adopting this method. SSD's instead of spinning rust drives are
>> vastly faster, and for the most part just as reliable, but with the
>> back ups it makes them even better. Also it's fair to say this method
>> works equally as well for Windows and Linux, and probably Macs but
>> since adding things like extra drives is almost impossible, I have my
>> Dennis Smith
>> On 29 January 2018 at 08:53, Dave B via chirp_users
>> <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
>> <mailto:chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>> wrote:
>> Quite honestly, I'm amazed anyone still thinks running Norton AV
>> is an acceptable solution to a perceived problem.
>> It itself is riddled with inconsistencies and other funnies, plus
>> has a hair trigger for false positives. "Not seen by many users"
>> is NOT a good metric to judge if something is bad or not.
>> Windows own Windows Defender, in conjunction with whatever
>> "Security Essentials" is now called is more than adequate for
>> 90+% of users, and the price is right.
>> Coupled with the use of "uBlock Origin" in your web browsers, to
>> block the obnoxious nasties in on-line add's, and you'll have a
>> slick fast and more than safe enough system. (Heck, that is
>> even in the MS app store now, as well as Chrome's webstore.)
>> The single best AV tool, is common sense... Never, and I mean
>> NEVER *NEVER* Click on a popup you didn't expect*, or go to a
>> site or download something *YOU DID NOT YOURSELF ASK OR GO
>> LOOKING FOR*!
>> And Never EVER respond to anything in unsolicited (spam) email's,
>> however attractive the proposition may look.
>> (* Not even any 'X' close button, that only confirms that they've
>> found a human, and may not even remove the popup. Back out of
>> that website/restart the browser and find another with what you
>> Norton AV used to be good, it's now just more bloat-ware, with
>> questionable practices, and not in truth a particularly good user
>> As above, the best AV tool, is the wet stuff between your ears.
>> As in all life, if something appears to be too good to be true,
>> it probably is bad for you, your PC, and/or your bank account!
>> Dave G0WBX.
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