[chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
kd9bdl at arrl.net
Mon Jan 29 09:25:45 PST 2018
Would you please take your OT "holy war/debate" about antivirus
software someplace other than the [chirp_users] list....
Your current discussion thread has NOTHING to do with CHIRP.
Michael Birch KD9BDL
On 1/29/2018 8:53 AM, Kenneth L. Bechtel, II wrote:
> As someone who has been researching and fighting Viruses/ Malware for
> 30 years, this is the most IGNORANT, DANGEROUS advice that I’ve come
> across lately. This is in no way shape or form how AV products work.
> Yes, I preach the most effective tools are basic security practices,
> but those practices include the proper defensive tools. HOW THE HECK
> can you know you’re not infected if you haven’t even checked your
> system. That’s like saying I’m healthy because a doctor hasn’t told
> me I have high blood pressure, and since I haven’t been told I haven’t
> seen a doctor in 10 years. It’s advice such as this (along with I
> don’t run av because I run a Mac/Linux and there is nothing targeting
> them). Please Leave the defensive advice to the professionals who
> KNOW what they are talking about, thank you
> Kenneth L. Bechtel, II
> Team Anti-Virus
> Phone: 717-473-0839 |Member AVAR
> email - kbechtel at teamanti-virus.org
> <mailto:kbechtel at teamanti-virus.org> |Founding Member AVIEN
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> *From:* chirp_users-bounces at intrepid.danplanet.com
> [mailto:chirp_users-bounces at intrepid.danplanet.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dennis Smith
> *Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 9:37 AM
> *To:* Dave B <g8kbv at uku.co.uk>; Discussion of CHIRP
> <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
> Dump 3rd party AV suites and use the OS provided AV tools. In order
> for antivirus software to work, it needs to install hooks into the OS,
> introducing weaknesses into the OS that were not there before. For an
> AV to work they need to do all the things a virus does such as man in
> the middle attacks EG reading your communications, even secured
> communications. The OS developers know where the right places to
> install it's own AV without weakening the OS.
> It's hard to know where a virus ends and the AV starts because they
> both do the same thing to get installed starting with the similar
> social and psychological tricks to get you to install them. And once
> installed they both use these same tricks (but in different ways) to
> make you keep them installed, or to prevent uninstallation. A bit like
> different political parties!
> As previously mentions, the best AV is UNcommon sense! Think before
> you click, ask the following questions :
> Who gains from this? Is there ulterior motive such as gaining personal
> *Did I ask for this? Unsolicited files or offers are not free, nothing
> is free except risk.
> *Do I want this? -- Does the file come with an anything extra you
> didn't want
> *Why are they asking me for this? -- EG do they need my credit card
> number? All I need in some cases is a name, half a telephone number or
> postcode/town name and I can with reasonable certainty find someone
> and dig really deep in to their personal life (I had to do this for a
> job I had, I'm no expert but I always got my target, a professional
> will always get you).
> *Is this really the file I wanted? -- Do you know how to check the
> file for tampering by checking the MD5 checksum?
> And more importantly a good, tested backup system known to be reliable
> and accessible is the minimum safety you should have. I mirror my
> drive and have copies made stored in my safe, and at a remote
> location. The remote variant is in a uniquely sealed bag, but that's
> just me. For many this is overkill. However, I can be up and running
> from a dead PC in 20 minutes from exactly where I left off.
> I have not had a successful virus or malware attack in 10 years since
> adopting this method. SSD's instead of spinning rust drives are vastly
> faster, and for the most part just as reliable, but with the back ups
> it makes them even better. Also it's fair to say this method works
> equally as well for Windows and Linux, and probably Macs but since
> adding things like extra drives is almost impossible, I have my doubts!
> Dennis Smith
> On 29 January 2018 at 08:53, Dave B via chirp_users
> <chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com
> <mailto:chirp_users at intrepid.danplanet.com>> wrote:
> Quite honestly, I'm amazed anyone still thinks running Norton AV
> is an acceptable solution to a perceived problem.
> It itself is riddled with inconsistencies and other funnies, plus
> has a hair trigger for false positives. "Not seen by many users"
> is NOT a good metric to judge if something is bad or not.
> Windows own Windows Defender, in conjunction with whatever
> "Security Essentials" is now called is more than adequate for 90+%
> of users, and the price is right.
> Coupled with the use of "uBlock Origin" in your web browsers, to
> block the obnoxious nasties in on-line add's, and you'll have a
> slick fast and more than safe enough system. (Heck, that is even
> in the MS app store now, as well as Chrome's webstore.)
> The single best AV tool, is common sense... Never, and I mean
> NEVER *NEVER* Click on a popup you didn't expect*, or go to a
> site or download something *YOU DID NOT YOURSELF ASK OR GO LOOKING
> And Never EVER respond to anything in unsolicited (spam) email's,
> however attractive the proposition may look.
> (* Not even any 'X' close button, that only confirms that they've
> found a human, and may not even remove the popup. Back out of
> that website/restart the browser and find another with what you want.)
> Norton AV used to be good, it's now just more bloat-ware, with
> questionable practices, and not in truth a particularly good user
> As above, the best AV tool, is the wet stuff between your ears.
> As in all life, if something appears to be too good to be true, it
> probably is bad for you, your PC, and/or your bank account!
> Dave G0WBX.
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