[chirp_users] Straightening out mixed terminology

Pete Miller scmiller40 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 8 19:13:29 PDT 2014


Many thanks for the very thorough answer. I'll work through the info
tomorrow, file a reply here
if I have any other questions.


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Jim Unroe <rock.unroe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Pete,
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Pete Miller <scmiller40 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> =-=-=
>>
>> Below are examples of a repeater directory table, a csv-formatted table
>> for
>> BaoFeng UV-5RE  Plus, and the cloned CHIRP report for the UV-5RE Plus
>>
>> *The overall question:*
>> How does the repeater directory terminology fit CHIRP's and the BaoFeng
>> columns?
>>
>>
>> Repeater directory columns
>> FREQ OFSST CITYCALL MODE CODE
>> IN       OUTSTATUSCOUNTY IRLPECHOLINKS/COMMENTS Las
>> =-=
>>
>>    - Freq -- transmit frequency of repeater? yes, according to KC5OLO
>>
>> This is the frequency that you are going to listen to (aka the transmit
> frequency of the other station). This corresponds to the CHIRP Frequency
> column.
>
>>
>>    - OFS -- For example, standard offset for 2m is -600 kHz
>>    *What* gets entered *where* in the BaoFeng CSV and cloned columns?
>>    Maybe only the "-" or "+" or "split" gets entered? Then the offset is
>>    just calculated for each band?
>>
>> This is used for repeaters. It is used to "offset" the transmit frequency
> relative to the receive frequency. The offset amount is usually 600 KHz for
> VHF repeaters and 5 MHz for UHF repeaters.
> "-" and "+" are used to designate the direction that TX is shifted from RX
> (lower in frequency and higher in frequency, respectively)
> -600 would mean set Duplex = "-" and Offset = "0.600000"
>
> When you use "Split" you enter the TX frequency directly into the Offset
> column. In your 146.445 example below, the frequency that your radio needs
> to transmit on is 1 MHz above the RX frequency.
> In this case you would set Duplex = "Split" and Offset = "147.445"
> But once you press the [Go] button, Duplex will change to "+" and Offset
> will change to "1.000000" (another way to say the same thing)
>
> When you enter a ham repeater frequency such as 146.640000, CHIRP will
> recognize this as a 2 meter repeater frequency and automatically set Duplex
> and Offset.
>
>>
>>    - Mode
>>    Same as BF-UV5 "Tone Mode", or maybe BF's "Mode" (which is usually FM
>>    for 2m band, right?) ?
>>    What is "Tone Mode"?
>>
>> I'm not sure what this is but I am sure it has nothing to do with tones.
> May be something to do with Wideband mode verses Narrowband mode. This is
> the Mode column in CHIRP which can be set to FM (wide) or NFM (narrow).
>
>>
>>    - Code In and Code Out--
>>
>>  This is for the CTCSS tone(s). The first one is the one that is required
> to access the repeater. The second one is never required and is best to be
> left out until you understand how CTCSS works. It is the CTCSS tone for
> receiving and if you set it wrong you will not hear anything.
>
>>
>>    - Here are four examples from the repeater directory
>>
>> 146.445+1MCTBridgeportWA1RJI 77.0/
>> 156.777.0*Fairfield  224.680 (Rocky Hill, CT) 2012/09/09146.475+1MCT
>> Norwalk W1NLK100.0100.0Fairfield   2012/09/12146.625 - CTFairfieldWB1CQO
>> 100.0Fairfield     146.655- CTStamfordW1EE 100.0Fairfield 158564
>> WB1GRB-R2013/01/28
>>
>> +1M is special offset?
>>
>>  Compared to the standard 600 KHz (0.600 MHz) for VHF or 5.000 MHz for
> UHF, this is special/odd/non-standard
>
>>  146.445 : What does 77.0 / 156.7 for Code In mean?
>>
>> 77.0 Hz is the CTCSS tone that you must send to access the repeater
> 156.7 Hz is the CTCSS tone that the repeater sends to open your squelch.
> You do not have to program this tone.
>
>>  146.445 : What does the red typestyle for Code Out mean?
>> * means 'Gated PL' but I don't know what that means, yet.
>>
>> It probably means that this CTCSS tone is not transmitted all of the
> time. It you program this into your radio and the tone is not being
> transmitted, you will not hear anything. Do not program receive CTCSS tones
> unless you understand how they work and know why you really need it.
>
>>  What are the units of the 77.0, 100.0, and 156.7 numbers? mHz?
>>
>> Hz. They are considered "sub-audible"
>
>>
>>    - IRLP - The Internet Radio Linking Project
>>    I'm not there yet
>>
>>
>>    - Echo - Refers to EchoLink® ?
>>    I'm not there yet
>>
>> =-=
>> BaoFeng UV-5RE-Plus memory columns
>> - cloned report downloaded from radio
>>
>> Your best bet here is to program several channels with various CTCSS tone
> and DTCS code modes and export it. All of the columns are explained in the
> CHIRP Guide on the miklor.com website. It wouldn't hurt to look at the
> CHIRP Examples page either.
>
> http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_CHIRP.php
>
>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> How do these terms map to the ones in the csv-format below?
>>
>> csv                  cloned
>>
>> Frequency.......Frequency
>>
>> Name...............Name
>>
>> Tone Mode.......?
>>
>> Tone................?Tone
>>
>> ToneSql...........?
>>
>> DTCS Code......Dtcs Code
>>
>> DTCS Rx Code ?
>>
>> DTCS Pol.........Dtcs Polarity
>>
>> CrossMode.......?
>>
>> Duplex..............Duplex
>>
>> Offset...............Offset
>>
>> Mode................?Mode
>>
>> Power...............? hi or lo, but I haven't found that detail, so far
>>
>> Skip.................Skip
>>
>> =-=
>>
>>
>> BaoFeng UV-5RE-Plus memory columns
>> - csv format
>>
>> Location |Name |Frequency|Duplex|Offset |Tone|rToneFreq|cToneFreq|DtcsCode|
>> DtcsPolarity|Mode| TStep|Skip|Comment URCALLRPT1CALLRPT2CALL
>> What are
>>
>> rToneFreq
>>
>> the RX CTCSS tone
>
>> cToneFreq
>>
>> the TX CTCSS tone
>
>>
>>
>>  TStep
>>
>> the STEP setting with isn't required for the UV-5R
>
>> Skip
>>
>> a flag to determine if this memory channel is to be skipped ("S") or
> scanned ("") when scanning.
>
>>
>> Why aren't the csv and cloned column headers and content the same?
>> I do get that the column headers are supposed to guide the process of
>> uploading to the radio,
>> so the *order* of columns can be different. But why not make them the
>> same, anyhow?
>>
>> Because the CSV file is a common format independent upon the Vendor or
> Model of radio. The Memory Spreadsheet Editor is somewhat customized for
> the particular radio model being programmed.
>
>>
>> May be a BaoFeng problem: When I try to manually enter info directly into
>> the clone report, I
>> can enter Name and Frequency, but clicking on other columns just makes
>> the entire row (such
>> as, the row for memory location 22) go away; seems to erase the row. I
>> haven't figured out how
>> to recover it, but since I haven't uploaded anything, I can of course
>> download a new image.
>> Suggestions about how to make direct entry into the downloaded, "cloned"
>> report?
>>
>> It sounds like you have just clicked on a row and that isn't good enough.
> Click in the cell. You will then see it change and you will then know it is
> ready for input.
>
>>
>> =-=
>>
>>
> Jim KC9HI
>
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